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Onions 7th Sep 2019 21:50

Max Air Accident
 
Anyone heard reports of a Max Air 747 landing accident in Nigeria?

Airbubba 7th Sep 2019 22:11

Here's a news report.


Pilgrims Escape Death As Max Air Aircraft Engine Collapses Mid-air

by SaharaReporters, New York Sep 07, 2019

The aircraft, a Boeing 747-300 [actually a -400? - Airbubba] with registration number 5N-DBK, was said to have developed a fault mid-air before the pilot struggled to land it at the airport.

The incident led to the collapse of one of the four engines of the aircraft.

It was further gathered that the aircraft was returning pilgrims from Niger State from Saudi Arabia.

On landing, a source close to the airport confided in our correspondent that the aircraft skidded off the runway.

The reason for the incident could not be ascertained at the moment, but it was gathered that the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority had been informed of the incident.

However, a source close to the scene told our correspondent that no life was lost, while efforts to get the officials of Max Air to comment on the issue was unsuccessful.













Pilgrims Escape Death As Max Air Aircraft Engine Collapses Mid-air | Sahara Reporters

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 22:22


The aircraft, a Boeing 747-300 with registration number 5N-DBK, was said to have developed a fault mid-air before the pilot struggled to land it at the airport.
If the identity of the 747 is quoted correctly, yes it's actually a collapsing PW4056-powered 747-400.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....53f6221678.jpg



Chris2303 7th Sep 2019 22:30

AVHerald

Incident: Max B744 at Minna on Sep 7th 2019, engine failure and runway excursion

"A Max Air Boeing 747-400, registration 5N-DBK performing Hajj flight NR-2092 from Jeddah (Saudi Arabia) to Minna (Nigeria) with about 550 people on board, was on approach to Minna when an engine (PW4056) failed. The crew continued for landing on runway 05 at about 05:00L (04:00Z), the aircraft however went off the runway and came to a stop off the runway. There were no injuries, the aircraft sustained minor damage."

nivsy 8th Sep 2019 01:51

Reports indicate that the airfield has no fire cover. Could have been serious.

golfyankeesierra 8th Sep 2019 02:14


was on approach to Minna when an engine (PW4056) failed.
really? On a -400 that is a non issue, especially on approach. Going of the runway means there is something else in play..
​​​​​​​or they really have no clue..

Imagegear 8th Sep 2019 05:56

Landing with 550 people on board might have been a little "heavy"

ID

gearlever 8th Sep 2019 10:42


Originally Posted by nivsy (Post 10564577)
Reports indicate that the airfield has no fire cover. Could have been serious.

“The fire that would have followed would have spread to all parts of the airport because we don’t have fire fighting vehicles in this airport,”

Operating to an airport without ARFF?

His dudeness 8th Sep 2019 11:29

Pilgrimage flight, so 'higher authority' supposed to keep em from burning. Did work, didn´t it ?

zerograv 8th Sep 2019 12:42


Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 10564626)
Landing with 550 people on board might have been a little "heavy"

ID

You bet !!! Second phase of the Hajj is extremely wild ...
There is no telling how much the aircraft weighs. The Pax bring water (zamzam water), sand, rocks, etc, etc.

Had a departure from Jeddah on a B763 with 300 Pax + Fuel to make it all the way to Mauritania. Saw the 76 climbing at 400 feet per min. Had never seen that before ... and it was not because it was very hot. This was in December, at the end of the day, at sunset.

Good thing that aircrafts are build with some good safety margins ...

lomapaseo 8th Sep 2019 13:03


Originally Posted by zerograv (Post 10564904)
You bet !!! Second phase of the Hajj is extremely wild ...
There is no telling how much the aircraft weighs. The Pax bring water (zamzam water), sand, rocks, etc, etc.

Had a departure from Jeddah on a B763 with 300 Pax + Fuel to make it all the way to Mauritania. Saw the 76 climbing at 400 feet per min. Had never seen that before ... and it was not because it was very hot. This was in December, at the end of the day, at sunset.

Good thing that aircrafts are build with some good safety margins ...

Does the aircraft also carry shipped cargo not part of the passengers belonging? Might bear on total landing weight estimates being higher or lower.than typical for route

Lake1952 8th Sep 2019 14:13

But here it is, 24 hours + later, and we still don't really know anything about this incident/accident, do we? Other than the important fact that there was no fire.

ehwatezedoing 8th Sep 2019 14:18


Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra (Post 10564581)

really? On a -400 that is a non issue, especially on approach. Going of the runway means there is something else in play..
or they really have no clue..

The version I have is that they were heavy rain and gust during their landing.
One of the pod simply scrapped the ground!

​​​​​​​No idea if true or not.

golfyankeesierra 8th Sep 2019 14:38


Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing (Post 10564942)

The version I have is that they were heavy rain and gust during their landing.

That is indeed more challenging then an engine fail on final

pattern_is_full 8th Sep 2019 14:38

Aviation Herald quotes airline as saying gusty conditions and heavy rain. Engine shut down on approach, then an engine nacelle also contacted runway during touchdown. Conflicting reports on almost everything, however, except the aircraft seems mostly in one piece and there were no fatalities.

I like the mention of "epileptic" ILS signals. ;)

Incident: Max B744 at Minna on Sep 7th 2019, engine failure and runway excursion

zerograv 8th Sep 2019 15:20


Originally Posted by lomapaseo (Post 10564914)
Does the aircraft also carry shipped cargo not part of the passengers belonging? Might bear on total landing weight estimates being higher or lower.than typical for route

Hello Lomapaseo,

Not the case ! No Cargo being transported. All the space is used to transport the "luggage" of the Pax, which is loaded on pallets for the FWD Cargo, and containers for the AFT Cargo, and that space, most of the cases, is not enough for the whole luggage that the pax bring with them. One passanger can easily be returning with 50 kgs of luggage, and this is most of the passengers.

While at it ...

About Minna, Nigeria. Positioned there empty on one occasion sometime around 2008 from Saudi Arabia. We were asked to go there to pick-up pax going to Jeddah. We looked on Jepessen for it, but could not find it. Called operations and asked to be sent the Jepessen Charts for Minna, Nigeria. We were told at the time, around 2008, that there was no Jepessen Charts available for Minna. Minna was not a Jepessen airport. The only thing available at the time was the AIP of Nigeria. Can not remember as it has been quite a while, but suspect that the runway is probably not very long ...

gearlever 8th Sep 2019 15:43

05/23 3.400 m.

CargoOne 8th Sep 2019 16:17


Originally Posted by zerograv (Post 10564904)
You bet !!! Second phase of the Hajj is extremely wild ...
There is no telling how much the aircraft weighs. The Pax bring water (zamzam water), sand, rocks, etc, etc.

Had a departure from Jeddah on a B763 with 300 Pax + Fuel to make it all the way to Mauritania. Saw the 76 climbing at 400 feet per min. Had never seen that before ... and it was not because it was very hot. This was in December, at the end of the day, at sunset.

Good thing that aircrafts are build with some good safety margins ...

lets admit - no departure from JED/MED for Phase 2 can pass a proper scrutiny from A to Z and we all know why. But it is going on for decades and unlikely to change any soon

ps said that it is probably unreasonable to blame Hajj too much on any subsequent incident once you have reached a cruising altitude out of JED

daved123 8th Sep 2019 16:43


Originally Posted by lomapaseo (Post 10564914)
Does the aircraft also carry shipped cargo not part of the passengers belonging? Might bear on total landing weight estimates being higher or lower.than typical for route

Having strolled among the pilgrims at the JED Hajj terminal waiting for their return flight with all their possessions and observed returning African (mainly) regular pax turning up at check-in with refrigerators and washing machines, suspect cargo, as mentioned above, would be mainly from pax.
DaveD


petersaunders 9th Sep 2019 10:12

Minna could be called Babangida airport, as many operations ( apart from the Hajj ) are something to do with him. Consequently, it is a very quiet airport. The runway is good and long, but parking is limited. I last went there for his wife’s funeral ( Maryam ) and it was very congested, with planes holding for the approach. Had previously gone there to pick up the ex president Babangida and his wife. He was not able to travel to Europe for a long time, but sanctions were lifted after Abacha died.


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