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Hard times for Norwegian

Old 30th Apr 2021, 07:13
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Is that really true though. I know some that where employed by OSM and some by Rishworth
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 07:25
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the question is if they would’ve been better off employed by one of the traditional contract providers. It seems more or less everyone was dumped with no salary or compensation as the subsidiary contract companies were put into bankruptcy. Or did I understand that wrong? I only see what was written here and in div media.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 08:08
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Employment and "direct employment" are completely different as we came to find out. Only the Scandi crews would have benefitted from redundancy payments if the whole thing folded ( and it may well still do). The UK and Spain crews employed through what the Courts described as a "very complex business model" were basically left high and dry.
It is not rocket science to see your ID number and thus where your butt sits on the MSL and if you have any chance of getting a look in, having said that, there is a presumption that all pilots will re-apply, which of course is not the case. Looking at he proposed fleet in Spain, even if they crew up fro ramp-up if your seniority is outside the 30's forget it.
Don't know of any UK crew that would be interested, but what you hear and what goes on in the background is another matter. Perhaps more importantly, many will not have the right to live and work in Scandi land, or indeed be able to afford to on any "new contracts"
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 08:34
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That’s my point.

Asking for a friend, based in Spain, contract through OSM, receiving sporadic ERTE, friend assuming that s/he is still on ‘the books’
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 08:55
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Due to Spanish legislation, only the pilots based in Spain will get a chance to bid for the ES positions. That fact, however, will not prohibit them(like everyone else employed 1st of march 2020) to bid for all new positions in Norwegian the next five years. Bids to be awarded according MSL.
If one takes a look at the investor relations and company information pages, plan calls for 50 aircraft in 2021, 70 in 2022 and 90 for 2023.

“Near/mid-term transition to MAXs or Neos through fleet replacement and expansion in 2022-2024 is considered feasible within the current fleet strategy”
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 11:52
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Ok thanks. For clarification this only applies then to the 737 operation?
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 12:12
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The invitation to apply for CPH/HEL clearly states that all pilots are welcome to apply but must have a B737 rating even if expired.

Going back to the issue of direct employment, there is nobody employed directly by the mother ship but by fully owned subsidiaries. This enabled the company to bankrupt these subsidiaries in the countries where the cuts were made, and there was no preferential treatment for Scan based crews, neither the ARN nor the CPH based pilots received a single penny from the company, and had it been decided to bankrupt PSN, not even the Norway based pilots would have seen any money. As it stands at the moment, the only pilots employed are in Norway and Spain, and the dynamics of this situation have been covered here in detail.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 12:36
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I am afraid it never was a good place to work as a start up and this has continued throughout its limited history. Cash rich at one phase agreed, but... 'everything is worth nothing'
as they say in the boardrooms.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 08:51
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Originally Posted by BWSBoy6 View Post
Any truth in the rumour that SH crew are being asked to reapply for their old jobs, with Scandi bases possibly being on offer?
The old jobs have vanished into thin covid-infested air. HEL and CPH are regarded as new bases that everyone on the MSL can bid for, according to seniority. Seems reasonable.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 21:52
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News from Spain

Latest news from Spain https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/...ases-in-spain/
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Old 7th May 2021, 09:11
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Such a shame, lots of good friends there, I hear something is rising out of the ashes in the U.K. though, wonder if it will pay the same lol?
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Old 7th May 2021, 15:44
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Is there? And is this Phoenix rising from LGW?
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Old 7th May 2021, 19:44
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You guys have been watching too much Harry Potter and smoking weed! What viewers have to realise is the whole Norwegian thing is a cleverly planned hype. Today the new share allotment was "heavily oversubscribed" pushing shares up 15% .. Look at Oslo Bors to see who bought them.. its no different to rock bands buying their own concert tickets to get the payback on the sales over 50% then dumping the tickets with a broker.. Sadly the Spain crews, and I know a few, are being played again with promises of jobs later, job shares, etc etc. When ERTE finishes the true colours will start to show.. Red Nose Warriors my word, whatever next!
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Old 7th May 2021, 20:37
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WHen ERTE finishes they will apply an ERE. Don't think anyone is being played...negotiations already started fyi
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Old 7th May 2021, 20:47
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Capital raise scheduled to last two weeks, oversubscribed in 30 minutes. New cornerstone investors and owners :
Norwegian pension fund
John Fredriksen
Sundt family
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Old 7th May 2021, 21:05
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The point being that NAS didn't have to pay any wages during the ERTE period and when the negotiations are over and ERE kicks in NAS won't have the money to meet the obligations, and once again the Spanish government systems will have to kick in to pay the settlements. According to Spanish laws, once collective dismissal starts within 6 months of commencing operations again, NAS may also have to refund the social security contributions they were exempt from plus a 20% charge, There is no provision in their examinership plan for any of this.
It just seems awfully wrong that the bases are being kept open without the commitment to keep employees on until/ if things pick up.
The very minimum they could do is retain enough staff to crew the projected 6 airframes for 2022, especially as they are boasting about cash reserves and proactively recruiting abroad.
European travel is opening up and it appears the lessons of the past went out of the window.

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Old 8th May 2021, 10:43
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Looks like a strong presence in the Nordics going forward.
The 18 max already delivered haven't moved an inch, would fit in nicely with the forecasted 52 aircraft going active this year(52 plus 18) = 70 for 2022..

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Old 8th May 2021, 11:12
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Interesting link, especially the section on risks:

Euro charges, (they are likely to need a bond/deposit as they still owe significant amounts)
Tax liabilities ( court case 20th May)
Ownership breaches of EU/ EEC laws for shareholders
Tax penalties for under stated profits ( mainly from wooden dollar/ inter company juggling)
Bullish shares being sold for quick gain,
Credit card companies holding deposits longer/ larger ( likely in view of failed refunds that exist now)
Airport handling/ charges ( no credit extended )

On the one hand it is good these items are considered, on the other any one of them could severely impact future operations and cause collapse V2
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Old 11th May 2021, 12:14
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Of all the Nations you don't want to upset!


Shares fell today in line with profit taking nearly 50%
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Old 12th May 2021, 02:46
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I feel for all the NAS staff suffering this continuing difficult period. I work for AF and have barely held on to my job. I know we are (used to be be) competitors at JFK but you all have been miserably treated. Wishing blue skies to y'all moving forward.
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