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Hard times for Norwegian

Old 7th Jan 2021, 02:06
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I used to work there before I decided to move to a major (to get home).

When I joined just before they began the big expansion, the conditions were not great to be honest. Weird contracts, the whole Thai crew situation and many more things like that really was a departure from what Norwegian had going for it shortly before. The old scandi-contrats from the "K-area" were fantastic.

It was quite a mess for a few years, and unfortunately the stories of a "race to the bottom" type company stuck for quite a while... Some still do as one can tell from the latest few posts. We all know how it goes with the cockpit gossip...

But - Then something happened. Unions were welcomed for all bases (after some tension from the media etc.) and things began to go in the right direction. And pretty fast actually. The salary went up, conditions improved and there was room to grow in the company with openings for training positions and so on. If you liked working extra you could get some pretty good deals in the busy summertime. 2-3K extra per day for a skipper was not unusial at all! Also, most bases had a nice stable 5/4 roster.

Was/is it as good as a US major? No- not even close. But Europe is a different ballgame on all fronts to begin with... That conversation is DOA.

Was/is is as good as a major in Europe? Depends. Better than some, but worse than others. Somewhere in the middle I would say. The upside was fast upgrade and career progression. In any case it has been on par or better than most low cost in Europe.

If you have any financial trouble working for Norwegian in any base - It's definately on you! (pre-covid)

So, renumeration etc. has been somewhere in the middle with regards to the European market for the past 3 years or so... However....

The ethos on the people side has for the most part been great. It has a very scandinavian feel and you are treated like an adult. It's reflected in procedures, the management and the overall atmosphere in the company. It has been a very nice place to work for me at least. Norwegian is by no means perfect, but it has only moved in the right direction!

I honestly think Norwegian is good for European aviation. They now have a new management team with a real sense of responsibility and above all sustainability. No more throwing things at the wall to see if it sticks. The new CEO seems to be highly praised in scandinavia and there seems to be a clear vision of what is possible within the market. If Norwegian goes, we will se the likes of wizzair, RYR and other new players go on the offensive taking up the marketshare with covid as a excuse for poor T&C's. We all know how that story ends...
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 00:38
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Interesting to hear. Let's hope they manage to keep going after the restructuring but as you say there will be others more than willing to take over some of the network. More jobs like that are needed in Europe.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 07:48
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Originally Posted by Clop_Clop View Post
Interesting to hear. Let's hope they manage to keep going after the restructuring but as you say there will be others more than willing to take over some of the network. More jobs like that are needed in Europe.
Norwegian Crew Emailed and told LH is finished - heart goes out to all those crews
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 08:18
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New business plan today. NO longhaul in Norwegian in the future. 2000 jobs to go.
Short haul down to 50 aircraft this year, increasing to 70 in 2022.
Focus on Scandinavia/Nordic and European routes.

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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:00
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Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem View Post
New business plan today. NO longhaul in Norwegian in the future.
Plus huge reduction in the 737 fleet as well. From current 92 to 50 this year and approx 70 in 2022
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:16
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Norwegian press release as reported in the "Norrwegian" thread in "Airline and Airports" Forum by Link Kilo

https://media.uk.norwegian.com/press...etwork-3064682
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:25
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Norwegians longhaul operation will be closed, according to a press release from the CEO.
Ifeel very sorry for the dedicated longhaul crew, but the longhaul operation with Norwegian has always been operating with huge losses. So if the company is to have any chance of survival it is the only thing to do.
Granted that a few routes out of LGW were marginally profitable. This goes to show that the LCC concept is not a success when it comes to longhaul.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 09:51
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As predicted..and not unexpected here. Sad news for the crews ( and staff) whom have been dangled on strings, and the real shame is this was perhaps avoidable if the "old regime" had acted as the "new regime" in terms of cost control, seeing the writing on the wall with realistic growth in capacity, no business model works with a 100% capacity growth and 20% income growth.
There is no automatic approval of this plan by the Irish Courts, again worth remembering that "Examinership" is designed to protect jobs not secure assets and with the vast majority of the jobs outside Norway going this is a real lead balloon. The "Concrete interest in investment" needs to be actually secured in cash terms before exit from the examinership process and if the existing creditors are not satisfied the courts can unleash the dogs.
The good news is that the brand may survive to live another day, no pilots want to see others without jobs wherever they may be.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:18
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As above, no pilot wants to hear of other pilots losing their jobs. Whenever I talked with Norwegian LH crews down route, they struck me as dedicated and pretty happy with their lot.

One of the few positives is that with the removal of loss-making capacity from the market, it might make make survival for the remaining carriers a little easier, and during the recovery it may mean more job opportunities for those on the sidelines now. All those 787s will need crews at some point...
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:24
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how many 787s they have? market going to be pretty swamped....
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:33
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About 35 unit. Same as the wine we will drink having been thrown under the bus! Amazon may want 767 skippers in USA. Was fairly obvious that the home market Scandinavia bases would be protected and the Norwegian court will approve this provided the Irish Courts don't pull the plug

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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:43
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The only thing surprising about the announcement is that it took so long. Sorry for all those involved, but it never made business sense.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:48
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35. They own 11 of them, the rest are leased. Used to be 37, but 2 are already gone.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 12:23
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Six engineless 787s at Prestwick currently looked after by Chevron. The implications of today's announcement go beyond Norwegian.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 13:08
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And the RR ones will not be high on the wishlist.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 14:33
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Not surprised ,a flimsy bussiness model at the best of times.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 09:15
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So in summary; Norwegian appears on the market, destroys everybody elses T&C's with their unsustainable business model, and then kills itself... Thanks for that. Good riddance to the flying tampons.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 09:34
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Thatís a bit harsh! I would much rather a sustainable Norwegian survived than the likes of Wizzair with their proper race to the bottom terms and conditions.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 10:15
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The point in his post probably is that Norwegian grew unsustainable. And if it wasn't for them, SAIL would not need or exist, or similar.
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 11:51
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It appears you have no clue about the T&C at Norwegian.
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