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Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019

Old 25th Aug 2019, 11:56
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 12:25
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No FR24 data yet on the thread ?! Ok let's start.

Takeoff at 0627 from SMI (SAMOS).
Reaches TOC FL360 at 0646 NW of ATH.
Starts a descent at 0649 with a ROD of approx 3100 ft/min (it's FR24, you never know...).
1 min later ROD becomes 5/600 ft/min and more or less remains the same till FL240 with some excursions back to 2500 ft/min.
FL240 at 0705 abeam SKG.
Aircraft overflies North Macedonia, Kosovo, Serbia, Hungary and Austria OEI.
TOD from FL240 @ 0849. 1h44 cruise OEI.

The occurrence aircraft returned to service about 17 hours after landing in Prague.

On Aug 24th 2019 The Aviation Herald received additional information stating maintenance performed a wet run of the engine after landing, which failed, the engine valve closed light remained illuminated and no fuel was supplied to the engine. Maintenance subsequently replaced the hydro mechanical unit (HMU), fuel filter nozzle, servo fuel heater, fuel pump and fuel heat exchanger, subsequently a test 5 - power assurance test - was performed and was passed.

On Aug 24th 2019 the airline confirmed the occurrence to Czech Media, e.g. irozhlas and zdopravy stating: "The crew proceeded in accordance with the safety and operational procedures for these cases and the aircraft landed safely. The commander is one of the most experienced in the company, the crew was in control of the situation and certainly would not underestimate anything."


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Old 25th Aug 2019, 12:36
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Originally Posted by sonicbum View Post
"The crew proceeded in accordance with the safety and operational procedures for these cases and the aircraft landed safely. The commander is one of the most experienced in the company, the crew was in control of the situation and certainly would not underestimate anything."
- 2:20 hrs on SINGLE ENG
- NO MAYDAY
- NO PAN
- most probably low fuel at Prague


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Old 25th Aug 2019, 12:38
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Well the FR24 data pretty much corroborates the narrative so far.

Glad everything worked out as it did but this is unconscionable in a "normal" flight with pax. I really hope ESA will have a close look into that one. To be honest I can't see how they could even think getting away with it in this day and age!? Contrast it with the Norvegian 738 that landed in Shira. They had many choices a little bit further but landed at the closest suitable airport, consequences be damned 👍
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 12:46
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
- 2:20 hrs on SINGLE ENG
- NO MAYDAY
- NO PAN
- most probably low fuel at Prague


Jeez
Yep. If I was part of the CAA of one of the several countries overflown by the aircraft I would also be interested in a chat with the operator with free coffee/tea and biscuits.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok View Post


How about Reckless Endangerment for a start ?

Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions.
Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok View Post


How about Reckless Endangerment for a start ?

Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions.
Yeah, but you have to suffer a loss... Mere negligence isnít compensable - something bad needs to actually happen to you. At best, there might be a nervous shock/ptsd claim, but I wonder how many of the pax actually understood the potential implications of the failure to divert.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 14:10
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It seems Ukraines YanAir had its AOC suspended for much less...
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 14:50
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Does this lot do any flying for UK charter operators ?
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 15:16
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Does this lot do any flying for UK charter operators ?
Not to my knowledge, but they do PRG-LGW-PRG 4/7.
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They fly wetlease for Sunwing, Transat and Flair in Canada during winter. Guess TC will look at that now.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 18:12
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Yes, Smartwings do (did) fly for UK holiday companies,
One of the 737-800's flew IT weekly charters from Jersey to Tenerife and Malaga iirc (these were booked for a MAX from April but of course that's not possible right now)
They also used to do a lot to Greece and Greek islands for Olympic Holidays from UK but I gather that is all finished now also.

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For our 2020 Tenerife programme we are pleased to work with Spanish airline Volotea for Sunday day time departures. You will enjoy a quick and comfortable flying experience aboard Volotea’s new Airbus A319 jet aircraft. The modern jet will take you from Jersey to Tenerife South Airport in approximately four hours direct to the winter sun.
Palma and Malaga will be operated by Air Europa.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 21:14
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There is an interesting discussion about fuel consumption on another forum.

- Off block fuel 9.500 kg
- 2:41hrs total flt time
- thereof 2:20hrs on single eng FL240 (eng failed just after reaching FL360)
- distance SMI-PRG about 1.000 NM
- pax 170

- fuel remaining at Prague 2.300kg ?

Possible?

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Old 25th Aug 2019, 23:03
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- 2:20 hrs on SINGLE ENG
- NO MAYDAY
- NO PAN
- most probably low fuel at Prague
If that turns out to be the facts, no whitewashing by the airline should be sufficient. If that were me, I'd be in a cell by now and deservedly so. Almost unbelievable.
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Red face [NotSo]SmartWings Engine Out Procedure

Remain within 2 engine out final glide of adequate airport.

Remember to adjust final glide distance for time gear will be down. Note that the Air Canada Gimli Glider dropped the gear on short final, but failed to get the nose gear down.

Evacuate by the front slides in case of a nose gear collapse.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 13:02
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Avherald :

On Aug 23rd 2019 (verified by AVH on Aug 25th 2019) Reader Marc had reported in the reader comments:

I work at Budapest ACC and I was in contact with this A/C when they overflew Hungary. Not a word did they mention about engine failure we were informed about a "technical issue". That is in most cases an air con failure for the 737 to fly at 240 or 250. So they came in at FL240 as they reached the Austrian border we sent them to Vienna Approach.

10 minutes later they called us back to inquire us why we haven't told them about the engine failure. It turned out that the failure was announced over Prague, Vienna then called us back but we didn't know either. Serbians were also unaware and I also asked my colleague who was working at KFOR (Kosovo) airspace - it is also operated from Budapest - but he didn't know either.

I think that tells a lot about this airline. And just to add: This evening I had 2 A/C in 20 minutes from this operator on my frequency cruising at 250 so it's not so unusual to see the like that.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 13:34
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13 Plan to land at the nearest suitable airport.

►►Go to the One Engine Inoperative Landing

checklist on page 7.30

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Last items of the NNC " Engine Failure or Shutdown" Checklist for the 737 NG

End of story
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 14:14
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If that turns out to be the facts, no whitewashing by the airline should be sufficient. If that were me, I'd be in a cell by now and deservedly so. Almost unbelievable.
ALL facts. The profile is on FR24, no reports of PAN or MAYDAY by any ATCO involved all the way from SMI to PRG.
Fuel at PRG may have been low, unsure.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the "big shots" of smartwings was the CPT.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 14:36
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The CPT was the Director of Flight Ops.
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