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gearlever 23rd Aug 2019 15:43

Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019
 
2 hrs 20 minutes on single engine.:=

Very ambitious

speedrestriction 23rd Aug 2019 16:22


Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10552508)
2 hrs 20 minutes on single engine.:=

Very ambitious

Unless everywhere enroute was either under a TS or SNOCLO, this is definitely not a command decision I would make.

Old King Coal 23rd Aug 2019 18:29

An In Flight Shut Down (IFSD) event is defined (by EASA and the FAA) as follows.

When an engine ceases to function in flight and is shutdown, whether self-induced, crew initiated or caused by some other external influence (i.e. In Flight Shutdown / IFSD for all causes; for example: due to flameout, internal failure, crew-initiated shutoff, foreign object ingestion, icing, inability to obtain and / or control desired thrust).

In the event of an IFSD the Boeing QRH instruction is 'Plan to land at the nearest suitable airport'.

It would seem, in this instance, that they were stretching the definition of the words 'nearest' & 'suitable' just a tadge too far?!

EDML 23rd Aug 2019 18:47

They could have landed in Athens around 30 min after the IFSD.

Also looks like the AC wasn't ETOPS certified at all. - So max. diversion time 60min.

paully 23rd Aug 2019 19:00

There is some suggestion on AV that the PIC was the Director of Flight Operations..either way these clowns are on my No Fly list

ReturningVector 23rd Aug 2019 19:23


Originally Posted by EDML (Post 10552635)
They could have landed in Athens around 30 min after the IFSD.
Also looks like the AC wasn't ETOPS certified at all. - So max. diversion time 60min.

ETOPS doesn't really matter outside of the planning phase.
If the nearest suitable is more than 60 minutes of flying away while non-ETOPS you should fly there.
Other way around, even if you are flying ETOPS but the nearest suitable airport is only 30 minuts away, you should fly there.

Anyhow, very odd decision-making at first glance.

gearlever 23rd Aug 2019 19:23


Originally Posted by EDML (Post 10552635)
They could have landed in Athens around 30 min after the IFSD.

Also looks like the AC wasn't ETOPS certified at all. - So max. diversion time 60min.

ETOPS or not, does it matter to land ASAP?

EDML 23rd Aug 2019 20:00


Originally Posted by ReturningVector (Post 10552658)
ETOPS doesn't really matter outside of the planning phase.

True, but still there are maintenance & dispatch requirements around ETOPS which decrease the risk of a 2nd IFSD while diverting (or not) OEI.


ETOPS or not, does it matter to land ASAP?
Of course not.



gearlever 23rd Aug 2019 21:39

"Head of Flight Operations of Smartwings. (CPT)"

I hope it was a joke....

Meester proach 23rd Aug 2019 23:23

It won’t be an ETOPs flight will it, so they’ll be within 60 mins of a suitable airfield at one engine cruise ? So no excuse for 2h20

SymbolA310 24th Aug 2019 01:39

Gross negligence and irresponsible of the crew. Their licences should be revoked.

bumpy737 24th Aug 2019 06:00


Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10552757)
"Head of Flight Operations of Smartwings. (CPT)"

I hope it was a joke....


Not a joke and read the comments on avherald from an ATC, they even didn’t notify the ATC untill they were in Czech airspace. Just ridiculous and this company was making headlines to often during last years...

DaveReidUK 24th Aug 2019 06:26


Originally Posted by bumpy737 (Post 10552950)
Not a joke

Avherald doesn't offer any evidence for that assertion. Do you have some?


Double Hydco 24th Aug 2019 10:07


Avherald doesn't offer any evidence for that assertion. Do you have some?
There's a comment from a Hungarian ATCO that handled the flight....

Johnny [email protected] Pants 24th Aug 2019 10:09

I wonder which bit of "land at nearest suitable airport" they didn't understand?

I also read they tried 2 relight attempts, one X-bleed and one windmill:ugh:

Gordomac 24th Aug 2019 10:22

Johnny ; The discussion has been done to death but there is similar stuff on the Med East forum, "QR 920 11th Aug" thread. Funny how many love to dig deep into what is "nearest" and what is "suitable" until they justify pure lack of airmanship.

EDML 24th Aug 2019 11:08

I think nobody would disagree that Athens, 100NM away would have been not only suitable but nearly perfect (descent profile). Also good weather on the 22nd at LGAV all day.

gearlever 24th Aug 2019 11:28


Originally Posted by EDML (Post 10553086)
I think nobody would disagree that Athens, 100NM away would have been not only suitable but nearly perfect (descent profile). Also good weather on the 22nd at LGAV all day.

Indeed. I'll not be surprised to learn the CPT was a management pilot.

Bam Thwok 24th Aug 2019 12:08

The 2 clowns who operated this flight need to be prosecuted for gross criminal negligence....... Unbelievable !!

763 jock 24th Aug 2019 12:35

Printing error on the QRH. "LAND LKPR" apparently.


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