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Smartwings B738 over Aegean Sea on Aug 22nd 2019
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Unless everywhere enroute was either under a TS or SNOCLO, this is definitely not a command decision I would make. |
An In Flight Shut Down (IFSD) event is defined (by EASA and the FAA) as follows.
When an engine ceases to function in flight and is shutdown, whether self-induced, crew initiated or caused by some other external influence (i.e. In Flight Shutdown / IFSD for all causes; for example: due to flameout, internal failure, crew-initiated shutoff, foreign object ingestion, icing, inability to obtain and / or control desired thrust). In the event of an IFSD the Boeing QRH instruction is 'Plan to land at the nearest suitable airport'. It would seem, in this instance, that they were stretching the definition of the words 'nearest' & 'suitable' just a tadge too far?! |
They could have landed in Athens around 30 min after the IFSD.
Also looks like the AC wasn't ETOPS certified at all. - So max. diversion time 60min. |
There is some suggestion on AV that the PIC was the Director of Flight Operations..either way these clowns are on my No Fly list
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Originally Posted by EDML
(Post 10552635)
They could have landed in Athens around 30 min after the IFSD.
Also looks like the AC wasn't ETOPS certified at all. - So max. diversion time 60min. If the nearest suitable is more than 60 minutes of flying away while non-ETOPS you should fly there. Other way around, even if you are flying ETOPS but the nearest suitable airport is only 30 minuts away, you should fly there. Anyhow, very odd decision-making at first glance. |
Originally Posted by EDML
(Post 10552635)
They could have landed in Athens around 30 min after the IFSD.
Also looks like the AC wasn't ETOPS certified at all. - So max. diversion time 60min. |
Originally Posted by ReturningVector
(Post 10552658)
ETOPS doesn't really matter outside of the planning phase.
ETOPS or not, does it matter to land ASAP? |
"Head of Flight Operations of Smartwings. (CPT)"
I hope it was a joke.... |
It won’t be an ETOPs flight will it, so they’ll be within 60 mins of a suitable airfield at one engine cruise ? So no excuse for 2h20 |
Gross negligence and irresponsible of the crew. Their licences should be revoked. |
Originally Posted by gearlever
(Post 10552757)
"Head of Flight Operations of Smartwings. (CPT)"
I hope it was a joke.... Not a joke and read the comments on avherald from an ATC, they even didn’t notify the ATC untill they were in Czech airspace. Just ridiculous and this company was making headlines to often during last years... |
Originally Posted by bumpy737
(Post 10552950)
Not a joke
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Avherald doesn't offer any evidence for that assertion. Do you have some? |
I wonder which bit of "land at nearest suitable airport" they didn't understand?
I also read they tried 2 relight attempts, one X-bleed and one windmill:ugh: |
Johnny ; The discussion has been done to death but there is similar stuff on the Med East forum, "QR 920 11th Aug" thread. Funny how many love to dig deep into what is "nearest" and what is "suitable" until they justify pure lack of airmanship.
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I think nobody would disagree that Athens, 100NM away would have been not only suitable but nearly perfect (descent profile). Also good weather on the 22nd at LGAV all day. |
Originally Posted by EDML
(Post 10553086)
I think nobody would disagree that Athens, 100NM away would have been not only suitable but nearly perfect (descent profile). Also good weather on the 22nd at LGAV all day. |
The 2 clowns who operated this flight need to be prosecuted for gross criminal negligence....... Unbelievable !! |
Printing error on the QRH. "LAND LKPR" apparently.
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