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Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Old 22nd Aug 2019, 04:59
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Charlie Fox:

This thread is a discussion of a B-757 hard landing and consequent damage. What does your Post #41 showing damage to Lufthansa D-ABYZ, a B-747-230B have to do with the subject of this thread?

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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Chiefttp View Post
Yes, United Airlines at EWR


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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:16
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DL will indeed attempt to repair the 757 damaged in a hard landing at PDL. A chartered Antonov 124 carrying parts, equipment and Boeing engineers flew from Piane Field KPAE to KATL where some DL technicians were boarded. It then flew onto PDL. Rumor has it that the plane will be ferried to KJAX where repairs will be completed.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...900Z/KPAE/KATL

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...300Z/KATL/LPPD
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:33
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Wonder why it would go to KJAX? Does DL have a MRO facility there?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:40
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Originally Posted by Lake1952 View Post
DL will indeed attempt to repair the 757 damaged in a hard landing at PDL. A chartered Antonov 124 carrying parts, equipment and Boeing engineers flew from Piane Field KPAE to KATL where some DL technicians were boarded. It then flew onto PDL. Rumor has it that the plane will be ferried to KJAX where repairs will be completed.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...900Z/KPAE/KATL

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...300Z/KATL/LPPD
Why would Delta Airlines (DL) ferry the damaged B-757 to KJAX (Jacksonville, Florida), instead of KATL (Atlanta, Georgia) where their home base is located? Delta's home base features some pretty impressive MRO facilities. Is there a heavy maintenance facility located at KJAX?

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Old 27th Aug 2019, 22:16
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
Is there a heavy maintenance facility located at KJAX?
Yes, there is: Flightstar.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 00:11
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
Why would Delta Airlines (DL) ferry the damaged B-757 to KJAX (Jacksonville, Florida), instead of KATL (Atlanta, Georgia) where their home base is located? Delta's home base features some pretty impressive MRO facilities. Is there a heavy maintenance facility located at KJAX?

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I believe the aircraft was to get its D check after the summer busy season anyway. Many of those are outsourced by DL. The repairs will be incorporated into the D check.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 07:07
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Originally Posted by Lake1952 View Post
I believe the aircraft was to get its D check after the summer busy season anyway. Many of those are outsourced by DL. The repairs will be incorporated into the D check.
I'd also guess that space at KATL is at a premium and chances are that the aircraft will spend a lot of time wherever it goes.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 11:18
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I remember the Funchal 757 well, it was very creased all the way up behind the nosewheel. Boeing put on a new nose and flew it back to Seattle to complete the repair.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 11:23
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Originally Posted by brakedwell View Post
I remember the Funchal 757 well, it was very creased all the way up behind the nosewheel. Boeing put on a new nose and flew it back to Seattle to complete the repair.
Actually it flew to Luton. The Boeing field engineers put a pit prop through the DV window frame, jacked her up, drifted down and then welded the nose gear in to place, and they flew her back gear down. So no new nose. Save the radome; couldn’t fix the antenna so no radar on the way home.
And prior to that they had to weld the windows shut as the DV window frame was distorted. !! Funny old thing that.
Brilliant, old fashioned Boeing engineering at its best. Long gone I fear.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 21:23
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I am surprised that Delta opted for a repair. Anyway, they certainly ran the numbers ...
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 21:33
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Originally Posted by AviatorDave View Post
I am surprised that Delta opted for a repair. Anyway, they certainly ran the numbers ...
The ETOPS 757s are a unique fleet that has given DL a lot of versatility and allowed it to start up several new seasonal routes to western Europe. I suspect airframe parts are easy to come by given all the recently retired airframes. Without knowing exactly what needs to be repaired or replaced, it doesn't surprise me at all that they have opted to repair this aircraft.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 15:16
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There is a flight plan filed to ferry the damaged Delta B757 from PDL to KATL for today September 16.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9959
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Lake1952 View Post
There is a flight plan filed to ferry the damaged Delta B757 from PDL to KATL for today September 16.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9959
On the way home - FL340 passing 030W.

RVSM approved after all of that repair drama? How would that work?
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 01:06
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Originally Posted by Zeffy View Post
On the way home - FL340 passing 030W.

RVSM approved after all of that repair drama? How would that work?
It could be that being a "Random Route", outside of the Organized Track System, which is normally further north, then the area sectors involved, Santa Maria and New York, might have said "OK", even if your RVSM capability is not fully capable on this occasion.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 03:11
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I'd be worried pressurizing that crushed can ....
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 07:53
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Originally Posted by hans brinker View Post
I'd be worried pressurizing that crushed can ....
That will soon get the creases out.

Joking aside, I'm not convinced that the initial damage assessment at PDL which allowed for a non-revenue ferry flight back to base will necessarily mean that the aircraft is repaired and returned to service.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 09:11
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I recall 2 757s being repaired on the apron in Kunming in 1991 or '92 following heavy landings, apparently nose wheel first. In both cases, only a few months apart. A bamboo hangar was built around the nose area back to the leading edges and covered with strippey plastic sheets. Teams from Boeing did the work on the apron area., they took a couple of months in each case.
Being 7000' AMSL we were warned about flaring early at Kunming.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 18:10
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Cool

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
That will soon get the creases out.

Joking aside, I'm not convinced that the initial damage assessment at PDL which allowed for a non-revenue ferry flight back to base will necessarily mean that the aircraft is repaired and returned to service.
just do a ground run at max diff till the popping stops.......
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 18:31
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I don't think internal over pressure has been included in any transport aircrafts bending calculations (it makes them stronger). In space applications it has everyday usage in liquid fuel tanks.
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