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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 11:32
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Strike had no effect

All flights operated as scheduled Thursday. Too many scabs, I guess.

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 11:51
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Originally Posted by beachbumflyer
All flights operated as scheduled Thursday. Too many scabs, I guess.

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Just for your info, several crew were sent to the UK “out of base” from all across the network to operate the flights. UK based crew were assigned standby duties. Ryanair’s dirty tactics :-)
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Full_blast
Just for your info, several crew were sent to the UK “out of base” from all across the network to operate the flights. UK based crew were assigned standby duties. Ryanair’s dirty tactics :-)
Airline wishes to operate a service, staff free to withdraw labour, company free to do whatever it wishes to maintain services.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 15:22
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While that’s true are you suggesting a strike is pointless? FWIW running the airline with no passengers is cheaper than than having to pay EU261 compensation to them. LoCo airlines probably only make 10 Euro profit per pax so losing 10 x 189 pax will only mean profits are down ~2k a sector. If you cancelled the same flight and had to pay 400 euro per passenger that equates to +75k.... so yes they can ‘afford to run the airline with no passengers for 2 years and still have money in the bank’ but that’s not what they’d be doing. Out of their 2000 odd sectors a day that 75k per sector soon adds up..

No, I'm saying that FR pilots have plenty of reasons to strike. Even more taking into account what they're asking for and the profits their company makes.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:39
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No, I'm saying that FR pilots have plenty of reasons to strike. Even more taking into account what they're asking for and the profits their company makes.
So if profits decline then you are happy for Pilots to have a pay cut ?
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:54
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The pendulum swings both ways

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So if profits decline then you are happy for Pilots to have a pay cut ?
Happy? No, but have done so twice in a 31 year career.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:59
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Yes, proceed with so much caution and temerity that you end up with no jobs. Just the same as the Merchant service
Would this be the British Merchant service that lost its will to live during the 60s and 70s at the very height of the Unions stranglehold over manufacturing, coal mining, shipbuilding, steel production and transportation. I wonder why the merchant marine ended up exporting their jobs to the Philippines?
If you are a supplier, in this case of labour/skill, like in any transaction between a buyer and the seller, if you quote a higher price than the competion , you lose the business.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 20:58
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Originally Posted by Paul Lupp
I have a work colleague due to fly on the MOL Line later today from Stanstead. She's still not sure if the flight will go ahead and the latest news she has been given is along the lines of "It depends if the pilot turns up for work".

So when she leaves work, does she drive to the airport or not? Her home and the airport are in totally different directions from work.
There does not appear to be any useful information on the Stanstead airport website at the moment.... What a shambles !
No airport at Stanstead

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 21:39
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Originally Posted by racedo
Airline wishes to operate a service, staff free to withdraw labour, company free to do whatever it wishes to maintain services.
Not really, sending people to cover others striking is illegal in some European countries (don’t know about the UK).

Anyway I wasn’t here to say who’s right or not, just sharing info.
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Originally Posted by Full_blast
Not really, sending people to cover others striking is illegal in some European countries (don’t know about the UK).
Anyway I wasn’t here to say who’s right or not, just sharing info.
If they work for same company then can be a get out or use W patterns on flights to overcome it.

BALPA screwed up and did what Ryanair said all along they would do prior to recognising them.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 05:57
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Originally Posted by racedo
So if profits decline then you are happy for Pilots to have a pay cut ?
What kind of logic is this? The following of ever increasing profits?
If PROFITS decrease you're still making profits, so no way I'm happy with it. Remember that FR is crying out like they're losing money when they'll just make a 1 billion PROFIT instead of a 1.2 one...

And from my point of view threatening to fire people while making 1 billion every year should make them legally exposed, but I suspect this is not the case under Irish law.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 08:05
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Originally Posted by racedo
So if profits decline then you are happy for Pilots to have a pay cut ?
If the profits decline, there still is a profit. And ylthe employees should profit with it, just less than with higher profits.

With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).

So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 08:29
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Looking at it from a business perspective Balpa approached this dispute in their usual, rule book fashion, which of course O Leary doesnt have. He does however have Balpa`s number and pushed the buttons he knew would work. Ryanair have never been a `redundancies` company instead being cash rich and expanding. So 3 weeks before the `Grand Plan` he issued his armageddon video. He is noted for having the ability to carry such threats out. That I would suggest changed the course of this dispute. The Union were powerless. The pilots weren`t scabs, they were people with hopes, fears, dreams, aspirations and families. They simply took the view that what they had was a lot better than what they might lose..

I`m not making any comment on the rights or wrongs of this dispute but merely how the dynamics lined up. Many, of course, hate O`Leary but it is foolish to try to ignore him, as Balpa found out.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 10:58
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Originally Posted by the_stranger
If the profits decline, there still is a profit. And ylthe employees should profit with it, just less than with higher profits.

With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).

So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.
Employees are paid a wage, that is all company is legally required to do. Nothing stops employees investing in the company and buying shares if they wish.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 12:01
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Originally Posted by racedo
Employees are paid a wage, that is all company is legally required to do. Nothing stops employees investing in the company and buying shares if they wish.
In some enlightened companies employees are allowed both a share of the capital by way of shares and/or a share of the profits.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 14:09
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Pilots from other European bases were sent to the UK as strike breakers to break the strike. They should've known better. They could've called a strike or just suddenly become ill to avoid doing their UK colleagues flights. All you need is some guts to back up your colleagues on strike. Whatever the benefits UK pilots could achieve is going to benefit them, too. Shame on them.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 21:36
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ONe thing I do find annoying are the lies that RYA seem to get away with, in the Times today they were reporting that the pilots were demanding a wage rise to something like £375k for a Captain - I don't know what their demands actually are but I am pretty sure that this is not what they are asking for and I do know that a Captains salary is not almost half of that as also claimed in the same article - I suspect if Ryanair actually paid what they claim the pilots are getting there would not be any strikes!
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by beardy
In some enlightened companies employees are allowed both a share of the capital by way of shares and/or a share of the profits.
Ultimately for company alone to decide to run an ESOP but because it is all across Europe with employees in many countrys then each country has different rules for ESOPs which means lots of cost involved.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by beachbumflyer
Pilots from other European bases were sent to the UK as strike breakers to break the strike. They should've known better. They could've called a strike or just suddenly become ill to avoid doing their UK colleagues flights. All you need is some guts to back up your colleagues on strike. Whatever the benefits UK pilots could achieve is going to benefit them, too. Shame on them.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.
Right......

Remind me what was BALPA's attitude to seniority for Pilots when BCAL / Dan Air / BMI etc were acquired by BA. Did they wholly consent that the acquired business's pilots automatically got seniority based on their previous experience or was it, Sod off I was here first.
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Originally Posted by foxmoth
ONe thing I do find annoying are the lies that RYA seem to get away with, in the Times today they were reporting that the pilots were demanding a wage rise to something like £375k for a Captain - I don't know what their demands actually are but I am pretty sure that this is not what they are asking for and I do know that a Captains salary is not almost half of that as also claimed in the same article - I suspect if Ryanair actually paid what they claim the pilots are getting there would not be any strikes!
So what has BALPA claimed they want ?

So a business should automatically just pay what a Union demands, yup that worked well before.
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