Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike
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Strike had no effect
All flights operated as scheduled Thursday. Too many scabs, I guess.
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All flights operated as scheduled Thursday. Too many scabs, I guess.
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Airline wishes to operate a service, staff free to withdraw labour, company free to do whatever it wishes to maintain services.
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While that’s true are you suggesting a strike is pointless? FWIW running the airline with no passengers is cheaper than than having to pay EU261 compensation to them. LoCo airlines probably only make 10 Euro profit per pax so losing 10 x 189 pax will only mean profits are down ~2k a sector. If you cancelled the same flight and had to pay 400 euro per passenger that equates to +75k.... so yes they can ‘afford to run the airline with no passengers for 2 years and still have money in the bank’ but that’s not what they’d be doing. Out of their 2000 odd sectors a day that 75k per sector soon adds up..
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Yes, proceed with so much caution and temerity that you end up with no jobs. Just the same as the Merchant service
If you are a supplier, in this case of labour/skill, like in any transaction between a buyer and the seller, if you quote a higher price than the competion , you lose the business.
I have a work colleague due to fly on the MOL Line later today from Stanstead. She's still not sure if the flight will go ahead and the latest news she has been given is along the lines of "It depends if the pilot turns up for work".
So when she leaves work, does she drive to the airport or not? Her home and the airport are in totally different directions from work.
There does not appear to be any useful information on the Stanstead airport website at the moment.... What a shambles !
So when she leaves work, does she drive to the airport or not? Her home and the airport are in totally different directions from work.
There does not appear to be any useful information on the Stanstead airport website at the moment.... What a shambles !
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Anyway I wasn’t here to say who’s right or not, just sharing info.
BALPA screwed up and did what Ryanair said all along they would do prior to recognising them.
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What kind of logic is this? The following of ever increasing profits?
If PROFITS decrease you're still making profits, so no way I'm happy with it. Remember that FR is crying out like they're losing money when they'll just make a 1 billion PROFIT instead of a 1.2 one...
And from my point of view threatening to fire people while making 1 billion every year should make them legally exposed, but I suspect this is not the case under Irish law.
If PROFITS decrease you're still making profits, so no way I'm happy with it. Remember that FR is crying out like they're losing money when they'll just make a 1 billion PROFIT instead of a 1.2 one...
And from my point of view threatening to fire people while making 1 billion every year should make them legally exposed, but I suspect this is not the case under Irish law.
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If the profits decline, there still is a profit. And ylthe employees should profit with it, just less than with higher profits.
With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).
So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.
With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).
So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.
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Looking at it from a business perspective Balpa approached this dispute in their usual, rule book fashion, which of course O Leary doesnt have. He does however have Balpa`s number and pushed the buttons he knew would work. Ryanair have never been a `redundancies` company instead being cash rich and expanding. So 3 weeks before the `Grand Plan` he issued his armageddon video. He is noted for having the ability to carry such threats out. That I would suggest changed the course of this dispute. The Union were powerless. The pilots weren`t scabs, they were people with hopes, fears, dreams, aspirations and families. They simply took the view that what they had was a lot better than what they might lose..
I`m not making any comment on the rights or wrongs of this dispute but merely how the dynamics lined up. Many, of course, hate O`Leary but it is foolish to try to ignore him, as Balpa found out.
I`m not making any comment on the rights or wrongs of this dispute but merely how the dynamics lined up. Many, of course, hate O`Leary but it is foolish to try to ignore him, as Balpa found out.
If the profits decline, there still is a profit. And ylthe employees should profit with it, just less than with higher profits.
With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).
So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.
With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).
So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.
In some enlightened companies employees are allowed both a share of the capital by way of shares and/or a share of the profits.
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Pilots from other European bases were sent to the UK as strike breakers to break the strike. They should've known better. They could've called a strike or just suddenly become ill to avoid doing their UK colleagues flights. All you need is some guts to back up your colleagues on strike. Whatever the benefits UK pilots could achieve is going to benefit them, too. Shame on them.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.
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ONe thing I do find annoying are the lies that RYA seem to get away with, in the Times today they were reporting that the pilots were demanding a wage rise to something like £375k for a Captain - I don't know what their demands actually are but I am pretty sure that this is not what they are asking for and I do know that a Captains salary is not almost half of that as also claimed in the same article - I suspect if Ryanair actually paid what they claim the pilots are getting there would not be any strikes!
Ultimately for company alone to decide to run an ESOP but because it is all across Europe with employees in many countrys then each country has different rules for ESOPs which means lots of cost involved.
Pilots from other European bases were sent to the UK as strike breakers to break the strike. They should've known better. They could've called a strike or just suddenly become ill to avoid doing their UK colleagues flights. All you need is some guts to back up your colleagues on strike. Whatever the benefits UK pilots could achieve is going to benefit them, too. Shame on them.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.
Remind me what was BALPA's attitude to seniority for Pilots when BCAL / Dan Air / BMI etc were acquired by BA. Did they wholly consent that the acquired business's pilots automatically got seniority based on their previous experience or was it, Sod off I was here first.
ONe thing I do find annoying are the lies that RYA seem to get away with, in the Times today they were reporting that the pilots were demanding a wage rise to something like £375k for a Captain - I don't know what their demands actually are but I am pretty sure that this is not what they are asking for and I do know that a Captains salary is not almost half of that as also claimed in the same article - I suspect if Ryanair actually paid what they claim the pilots are getting there would not be any strikes!
So a business should automatically just pay what a Union demands, yup that worked well before.