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50 Airbus A321XLR for AA

Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:41
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50 Airbus A321XLR for AA

American Airlines agrees to order 50 Airbus A321XLRs
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 19:48
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Boeing is sleeping

Thats because boeing has nothing in the single aisle long range market. Everybody wants to have the a321XLR. Boeing schould have made a B757NG. Boeing is sleeping
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 19:52
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As SLF I don't like single aisle on LR.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 19:52
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 20:15
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Thats because boeing has nothing in the single aisle long range market. Everybody wants to have the a321XLR. Boeing schould have made a B757NG. Boeing is sleeping
Boeing thinks the market is better served by a new twin aisle... the mysterious NMA (aka 797), which would be slightly larger than the 757.

Every A321XLR sale potentially erodes the NMA business case. Announcement any day now...
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 20:28
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It depends on LR.

We flew B757 across the pond ten years ago (MAN - New York) and the flights were absolutely fine. Seat pitch, IFE, food, all as good as a wide-body I had experienced before.

The real issue on these planes is the number of toilets available to economy class passengers. Flying in Europe on a traditional airline with different classes (Lufthansa A321) they reserve the front toilet for Business Class (say 28 people) meaning that two toilets have to serve about 166 passengers. Easy and Ryanair have three toilets for 180 passengers on A320/B737. It makes a difference on a flight if you are hanging around waiting for the toilet and disturbs passengers seated near the toilets..
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by babemagnet View Post
Boeing schould have made a B757NG. Boeing is sleeping
You do know that Boeing discontinued the 757 15 years ago because no one was buying it, and the 757-300 was a major flop (40 aircraft built, they needed about 200 to break even).
To do a 757NG , it would need a new engine, meaning a new engine would have needed to exist in that thrust class (~40k lbs.). Not only was that not the case, none of the engine manufactures saw a business case for developing one. In fact that's still the case - for the NMA to be viable someone will need to step forward and develop the engine.
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Boeing will make the 737-XLR a MAX with upgraded landing gear for increased MTOW and bigger fuel tanks
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 21:24
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Boeing will make the 737-XLR a MAX with upgraded landing gear for increased MTOW and bigger fuel tanks
In the meantime, don't give up the day job ...
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 21:44
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Timing, as they say, is everything. Boeing (apparently) wanted to do the New Small Airplane back in 2010ish, and this would have replaced both the 737 and 757. They couldn't crack large volume composite curing (think they were hoping for cold cure technology), and then were forced to compete with Airbus for the massive AA order...which gave birth to the MAX. Had they had the composite technology they wanted, the outcome could have been very different. A 797-8/9 to replace the 757 and a 797-3/4/5 (or somesuch) to replace the 737...the A320 would now be looking old hat.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 10:18
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Originally Posted by NWSRG View Post
Timing, as they say, is everything. Boeing (apparently) wanted to do the New Small Airplane back in 2010ish, and this would have replaced both the 737 and 757. They couldn't crack large volume composite curing (think they were hoping for cold cure technology), and then were forced to compete with Airbus for the massive AA order...which gave birth to the MAX. Had they had the composite technology they wanted, the outcome could have been very different. A 797-8/9 to replace the 757 and a 797-3/4/5 (or somesuch) to replace the 737...the A320 would now be looking old hat.
I recently flew 3 legs on a Icelandair 757 and the comfort was great , However the one leg on a 767 was the worst flight ever . It was a leased Portugese ship with an interior designed for young children or pygmies.

https://www.google.com/search?q=euro...81zQqb5qqi53M:

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Originally Posted by Espada III View Post
The real issue on these planes is the number of toilets available to economy class passengers. Flying in Europe on a traditional airline with different classes (Lufthansa A321) they reserve the front toilet for Business Class (say 28 people) meaning that two toilets have to serve about 166 passengers. Easy and Ryanair have three toilets for 180 passengers on A320/B737. It makes a difference on a flight if you are hanging around waiting for the toilet and disturbs passengers seated near the toilets..
I regularly SLF on Aeroflot's A321s and they have 3 lavs for economy. 2 in the middle and one at the back.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 14:51
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On a recent shorthaul flight with BA, the two rear toilets were dis pensed with, to fit on another row of seats and part of the rear galley was taken over by a single toilet!

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 19:40
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Look carefully Bobcat, there are two toilets down the back, the 2nd one has the cabin crew jump seat attached to the door so its easily missed. Bloody stupid layout that doesn't really work but there it is, more bums on seats is what the company want and is largely what they are getting.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:33
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Toilets? Really? I'm more concerned about the wing the 321 has. Hoping they redesign the thing for the XLR or an awful long time will be spent bouncing along at FL 300 while you all worry about your crappers...
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 20:40
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
As SLF I don't like single aisle on LR.
Single aisle non-stop on LR works perfectly for me if it avoids a twin aisle and transfer at a hub!
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NMA will be another knee jerk reaction...a frankenplane with a 767 metal hull with a 787 wing...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 01:47
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Boeing will make the 737-XLR a MAX with upgraded landing gear for increased MTOW and bigger fuel tank
Sorry, they already did that, its called the 737-800ERX...well, not a MAX, but .the P-8 Poseidon is based on this (as no airlines bought it)
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 01:53
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NMA will be another knee jerk reaction...a frankenplane with a 767 metal hull with a 787 wing...
All it will then need is the associated metal-bashing and dodgy engineering to be ushered in under an existing Type Certificate to get late-1970s vintage hardware into the 21st century...

I wonder what could possibly go wrong there?????
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 03:10
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Sorry, they already did that, its called the 737-800ERX...well, not a MAX, but .the P-8 Poseidon is based on this (as no airlines bought it)
to bad the fuel comsumption is too high, without Leap engines....not match
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