MAX’s Return Delayed by FAA Reevaluation of 737 Safety Procedures
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They might have to discount them for a while but people will go where the tickets are the cheapest, people still fly garauda even at height of their bad rep. 6 to 12 months people will have not so much forgotten but a cheap airfare will minimize any concern they have over the max
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The difference between Boeing/FAA and an airline such as Garuda is the place in the food chain. Boeing & the FAA are the authoritative sources, the wellspring of the safety paradigm for aviation. Until the MAX fiasco, they were regarded as credible (though somewhat tarnished after the B787 program to industry insiders). Now they cannot be trusted by anyone. This is now "common knowledge", everyone believes that everyone else believes it.
They have confirmed what many people have long suspected about the modern economic system, that in fact it is corrupt to the core. It laid bare the "whatever it takes" as the new norm, it is the final signal that nothing can be trusted.
It is this loss of trust at the core of the system that is the issue. If it can happen to Boeing and the FAA, that had been assumed and implicitly trusted to "do the right thing". They failed and put profit before everything else. If it can happen to Boeing/FAA it can happen in every other aspect of their lives.
They have confirmed what many people have long suspected about the modern economic system, that in fact it is corrupt to the core. It laid bare the "whatever it takes" as the new norm, it is the final signal that nothing can be trusted.
It is this loss of trust at the core of the system that is the issue. If it can happen to Boeing and the FAA, that had been assumed and implicitly trusted to "do the right thing". They failed and put profit before everything else. If it can happen to Boeing/FAA it can happen in every other aspect of their lives.
A name change worked for ValuJet after the 1996 DC 9 crash, it bought a smaller airline called AirTran Airlines and merged under the new name. Boeing will need to do something similar with the MAX, after all the modification, recertifying and training required it would merit a new designation. Perhaps B737-2020 which would instantly differentiate it from the MAX, imply a clean start in a new year and assure passengers that all modifications had been carried out.
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It is this loss of trust at the core of the system that is the issue. If it can happen to Boeing and the FAA, that had been assumed and implicitly trusted to "do the right thing". They failed and put profit before everything else. If it can happen to Boeing/FAA it can happen in every other aspect of their lives.
The public may well come to the point of trusting Boeing and the FAA again, but it's a pretty good bet that developments such as SWA pilots and AA FAs raising safety questions in very public ways will reinforce real fear and hesitation, which the disasters and screwups reported over the past year have already strongly motivated.
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Non industry people who ask me about the MAX do not differentiate between the NG and MAX, they view all 737's as being suspect. That is an anecdote of one, however, there is a possibility that Boeing/FAA have had a lasting negative branding on all 737's, despite the stellar safety record of NG. The timing of the pickle fork issue couldn't have been worse, and feeds right into that perception.
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A name change worked for ValuJet after the 1996 DC 9 crash, it bought a smaller airline called AirTran Airlines and merged under the new name. Boeing will need to do something similar with the MAX, after all the modification, recertifying and training required it would merit a new designation. Perhaps B737-2020 which would instantly differentiate it from the MAX, imply a clean start in a new year and assure passengers that all modifications had been carried out.
They have confirmed what many people have long suspected about the modern economic system, that in fact it is corrupt to the core. It laid bare the "whatever it takes" as the new norm, it is the final signal that nothing can be trusted.
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This. The trust model may not be irreparably broken forever, but this fiasco has broken it badly and for a long time.
The public may well come to the point of trusting Boeing and the FAA again, but it's a pretty good bet that developments such as SWA pilots and AA FAs raising safety questions in very public ways will reinforce real fear and hesitation, which the disasters and screwups reported over the past year have already strongly motivated.
The public may well come to the point of trusting Boeing and the FAA again, but it's a pretty good bet that developments such as SWA pilots and AA FAs raising safety questions in very public ways will reinforce real fear and hesitation, which the disasters and screwups reported over the past year have already strongly motivated.
Safety is our first priority?
All the holes in the cheese are getting bigger so it is far easier for them to line up.
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Unfortunately, it is the entire industry that has moved in the shareholders'/beancounters' direction.
Unfortunately not just aviation. Pharmaceuticals, Banks, Cars, lots of others.
Unfortunately not just aviation. Pharmaceuticals, Banks, Cars, lots of others.
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‘… the entire industry that has moved in the shareholders'/beancounters' direction.’
Because we are a very safe industry; complacency, drifting standards, less oversight, … ?
The holes in the cheese are opening and closing as before; the industry continues to manage most, but less skilled at identifying new self-generated ‘holes’.
The Max saga identified many latent ‘holes’; who knew, who saw them, who acted. Could anyone act having identified a problem within the top agencies - the regulator and manufacturer.
Who checks the ‘checkers’.
New holes to come; the aircraft will be safe for service, but the effect of the issues on operators and pilots will generate new opportunities to see ‘holes’, even if none are there.
Because we are a very safe industry; complacency, drifting standards, less oversight, … ?
The holes in the cheese are opening and closing as before; the industry continues to manage most, but less skilled at identifying new self-generated ‘holes’.
The Max saga identified many latent ‘holes’; who knew, who saw them, who acted. Could anyone act having identified a problem within the top agencies - the regulator and manufacturer.
Who checks the ‘checkers’.
New holes to come; the aircraft will be safe for service, but the effect of the issues on operators and pilots will generate new opportunities to see ‘holes’, even if none are there.
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On aviationweek.com yesterday:
“We do not think, at this time, simulator training for the RTS will be required, nor will [737NG] and MAX fleets be split based on the information we have presently,” SWAPA President Jon Weaks wrote in a Nov. 13 update to members. “Since those changes have not been finalized, the simulator training and split fleet requirement issues remain open, however remote.”
"The line-pilot review is one of several key steps that Boeing must accomplish to win regulatory approvals for the MAX’s RTS. Boeing remains hopeful that at least some regulators, led by the FAA, will clear the MAX to fly again by year-end 2019."
“We do not think, at this time, simulator training for the RTS will be required, nor will [737NG] and MAX fleets be split based on the information we have presently,” SWAPA President Jon Weaks wrote in a Nov. 13 update to members. “Since those changes have not been finalized, the simulator training and split fleet requirement issues remain open, however remote.”
"The line-pilot review is one of several key steps that Boeing must accomplish to win regulatory approvals for the MAX’s RTS. Boeing remains hopeful that at least some regulators, led by the FAA, will clear the MAX to fly again by year-end 2019."
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Not exactly a vote of confidence for the flying public
From business insider today:
”American Airlines flight attendants are "begging" not to have to work on the Boeing 737Max when it returns to service after its grounding, the head of the union representing them said Thursday.
"I will tell you that I hear from flight attendants every day, and they're begging me not to make them go back up in that plane," Lori Bassani, the president of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, said, according to the Dallas Morning News.“
”American Airlines flight attendants are "begging" not to have to work on the Boeing 737Max when it returns to service after its grounding, the head of the union representing them said Thursday.
"I will tell you that I hear from flight attendants every day, and they're begging me not to make them go back up in that plane," Lori Bassani, the president of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, said, according to the Dallas Morning News.“
The "unrealistic returns" part is why so many apparently health businesses are going down the pan these days & leaving huge debts behind them...
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"The FAA's return-to-service decision for the MAX will rest solely on the FAA's assessment of weather Boeing's proposed software updates and pilot training address the know issues for the grounding of the aircraft."
Is it a known issue that it appears Ethiopian flight ET 302 could not move the manual trim wheel after MCAS activation?
Why did the crew reengage the cut out switches? - that's right, this info was only known after the grounding!
Is it a known issue that it appears Ethiopian flight ET 302 could not move the manual trim wheel after MCAS activation?
Why did the crew reengage the cut out switches? - that's right, this info was only known after the grounding!
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>"The FAA's return-to-service decision for the MAX will rest solely on the FAA's assessment of whether Boeing's proposed software updates and pilot training address the know issues for the grounding of the aircraft."
This seems to imply that Boeing are not intending to make any hardware changes.
This seems to imply that Boeing are not intending to make any hardware changes.
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Without fulfilling that goal, the company will cease to exist. Think of the huge corporations of decades ago which no longer exist.
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Also today, United joined the list of companies cancelling MAX flights until March at the earliest.