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Pilot couldn't land without autopliot?

Old 17th May 2019, 13:58
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Devil Pilot couldn't land without autopliot?

"Horrifying new footage of the jet disaster that killed 41 in Moscow has emerged amid claims pilots made basic errors during the emergency because they were incapable of landing without the assistance of autopilot . . . The footage emerged as an expert claimed that the experienced captain Denis Evdokimov - hospitalised as a result of the crash - had never previously manually flown the Sukhoi Superjet 100 in so-called 'direct mode' before the crash."

Captain Denis Evdokimov had reportedly never landed jet without autopilot on
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Old 17th May 2019, 14:13
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So-called 'Autoland' systems guide the plane onto the runway using the lines on the tarmac at approved airports.
Quality of the report?
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Originally Posted by Setpoint99 View Post
"Horrifying new footage of the jet disaster that killed 41 in Moscow has emerged amid claims pilots made basic errors during the emergency because they were incapable of landing without the assistance of autopilot . . . The footage emerged as an expert claimed that the experienced captain Denis Evdokimov - hospitalised as a result of the crash - had never previously manually flown the Sukhoi Superjet 100 in so-called 'direct mode' before the crash."

Captain Denis Evdokimov had reportedly never landed jet without autopilot on
FBW aircraft always land with automatics on since they cannot really be turned off. But I think you mean AUTOLAND? In that case I doubt it is true since you can as far as I know only land with auto land at CAT 11 111 airfields with all the protections for Low Vis Ops in operation. Someone please tell me I am wrong!

Speaking of hand Flying V automation there is a thread under QF72 crash about the lack of handling skills
I added this just now

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Except the pitch wasn’t working!
It looks like the triple AOA inputs had one false input which the other two did not vote out, so the plane reacted. Not much the pilot could do since it was all over in a very short time. But for readers of ET and Lionair who are banking on triple or double AOA inputs solving the MCAS event, it looks like at the end of the day, no amount of automation is going to ensure a safe flight in every situation. Things can happen that nobody had anticipated or just plain go wrong. As in this case.
Here things called pilots are used. Now, if you don't train those pilots to hand- fly in RAW DATA and MANUAL CONTROL, as seems increasingly to be the case, we enter a dystopian world where if the computers cannot cope in every possible situation - clearly an impossibility, then the outcome is not good to contemplate. I believe that following ET and Lionair there is going to be a rip roaring battle between the automators and the hand flyers. It is much cheaper and easier to stuff in some more software and avoid 100 hours plus EXTRA initial training (although this cost is usually borne by the trainee) and longer Type Ratiing Courses probably involving 15 x 4 hours sessions versus the current 9 x 4 hours sessions. Then perhaps 5 full days of recurrent training per annum versus the current 3 - in some airlines 4. A day in the sim. spent doing nothing else but manual interventions and hand flying would be a good start. But then if the airline has a policy of almost banning manual flight above 400 feet as is often the case on the line, that gets us nowhere.
Oh dear here we go............Took off from Tokyo for Moscow and autopilots would not engage. At all. Flew to Moscow no problem whatsoever. But that was when Pontius was a pilot and of course nobody needs those skills these days, do they!

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Old 17th May 2019, 14:19
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OMG. What a stupid article. Someone ought to shut down the Daily Mail. They've conflated the issue of Autopilot and manual flying with "Direct Law". DM - Simply the worst kind of trash journalism that exists.
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Originally Posted by yanrair View Post
FBW aircraft always land with automatics on since they cannot really be turned off. But I think you mean AUTOLAND? In that case I doubt it is true since you can as far as I know only land with auto land at CAT 11 111 airfields with all the protections for Low Vis Ops in operation. Someone please tell me I am wrong!

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Nothing stopping you from doing an autoland in CAT 1 conditions or better as long as the runway is autoland capable.
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Old 17th May 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero View Post
OMG. What a stupid article. Someone ought to shut down the Daily Mail. They've conflated the issue of Autopilot and manual flying with "Direct Law".

DM - Simply the worst kind of trash journalism that exists.
And certainly doesn't warrant a thread of its own on here. Oh dear.

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Old 17th May 2019, 15:26
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In Germany we have BILD
I'm afraid the UK has five of them.....
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Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36 View Post
Nothing stopping you from doing an autoland in CAT 1 conditions or better as long as the runway is autoland capable.
Except that there would be no protected area so that you would be unable to guarantee the integrity of the ILS signal. Not a risk that I would take.
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I think that an unwritten rule should be that any thread that quotes the "Daily Mail" should require the thread topic to include such or at the minimum have a devil icon placed next to it
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