Sheremetyevo Superjet 100 in flames
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while the calls for overhead bins to be locked are valid, problem is that a large amount of emergency equipment is stored in overhead lockers. So who and how unlocks them to retrieve the emergency equipment when required?
The answer is simple. How about the authorities do their job.
It is a requirement to obey any LAWFUL instruction on board an aircraft. So any person leaving with a bag should simply be charged with a criminal offence. Bags stowed under the seat are no exception. In an emergency you are explicitly told to leave EVERYTHING behind.
41 counts of Manslaughter should be a significant deterrent.
The answer is simple. How about the authorities do their job.
It is a requirement to obey any LAWFUL instruction on board an aircraft. So any person leaving with a bag should simply be charged with a criminal offence. Bags stowed under the seat are no exception. In an emergency you are explicitly told to leave EVERYTHING behind.
41 counts of Manslaughter should be a significant deterrent.
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It is a requirement to obey any LAWFUL instruction on board an aircraft. So any person leaving with a bag should simply be charged with a criminal offence. Bags stowed under the seat are no exception. In an emergency you are explicitly told to leave EVERYTHING behind
Let’s face it, The safety briefing is a farce. Passengers reading, talking, ignoring it (yeah yeah we know all that) - hostesses serving drinks and chatting to the guests up front during the auto briefing.
Its just a tick in a box. No examination of pax afterwards (of course not - but just to illustrate the lack of seriousness).
Schematic safety on board cards with indecipherable drawings and distracting colours don’t help.
So when pax in a decompression sit with masks on mouths but not noses, when pax in a ditching can’t undo a seat belt or inflate the mae west prematurely in the cabin (and float to the roof) and when pax in an evacuation take all their kit - it is horrible - but to be expected.
The whole thing is an alibi to satisfy authorities.
Some airlines try to use humour to try to get attention, some insist on the PA but the pax generally remains a selfish animal for whom an aeroplane is just a means of transport and not the safety system aimed for by the crew (or at least some crews) and the flight safety department.
The other thread about the overwing passenger in NZ is a case in point.
By the way - a putative lockable rack door - would you have it locked or unlocked when evacuation checklist requires battery switched off? Would you have it on the emergency bus? Would you have each door locked manually by a square key?
Wrong way to go. What does a pax really need on board - versus what does a pax take on board to avoid delays - should be looked at.
Overnight bag pickup directly at the aircraft for folk in a hurry could be a way - as is done with kiddy buggies etc. and reduce the items brought into the cabin to a minimum.
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I know nothing about this aircraft of its systems. I am just curious if the reported malfunction might have resulted in the crew having to do a zero flap land and/or no ground spoilers? I can't tell from the videos. That might provide some of the reason for the bounced landing (should have gone around anyway). Something like this can happen with the 737, and it makes for a touchy landing, particularly if you are fast.
But the post crash pictures clearly show slats and flaps extended in this case...
So why did they bounce? (no ground Spoiler deployment, excessive speed ?)
And why did they not went around after the first bounce?
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Law enforcement seems to be a bit out of fashion, especially if it interferes with business... And just limited to certain special cases. Smoking a joint just potentially endangering your own health is punished harder than potentially endangering the life of other passengers...
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Admittedly, asking as SLF - but if you've managed to bounce it hard enough to snap the landing gear and poke holes in the fuel tank, do you really want to go around with fuel gushing from the aircraft, or do you want to get down to where the fire trucks are as quickly as possible?
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Admittedly, asking as SLF - but if you've managed to bounce it hard enough to snap the landing gear and poke holes in the fuel tank, do you really want to go around with fuel gushing from the aircraft, or do you want to get down to where the fire trucks are as quickly as possible?
Not the last where everything broke loose....
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Admittedly, asking as SLF - but if you've managed to bounce it hard enough to snap the landing gear and poke holes in the fuel tank, do you really want to go around with fuel gushing from the aircraft, or do you want to get down to where the fire trucks are as quickly as possible?
It looks to me (although I can't swear to it due to low video resolution) that the gear are already damaged by first ground contact, and thus progressively fold backwards during the airborne part of the first bounce under the influence of the high airspeed. By the second touchdown, they are folded back and useless.
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There is a video here from inside the plane where the two bounces can be identified. By frame counting the two videos, it's clear the time between first and second bounce is 2.0sec. Between second bounce and the "landing" is 3.5sec. So there are two bounces, where only second one is seen on the outside video. I don't count the "landing" as a bounce. This makes for a pretty accurate estimate on the runway (image below).
In comparison, the Tokyo Fedex MD11 had a first and second bounce of 2.0sec and 5.0sec.
In comparison, the Tokyo Fedex MD11 had a first and second bounce of 2.0sec and 5.0sec.
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Yep, watching this video, the first impression as if the engines were idle all the way down. Then, if one uses headphones and full volume, a very low frequency fluctuations may be heard from 2:20 onwards, giving an idea of possible minimal throttle inputs over the runway.
There is also a characteristic air rambling noise corresponding either main gears or flaps, or spoilers.
Not much fluctuation in pitch, roll or air flow noise, suggesting that the approach was one of the most stable possible and gentle on the controls.
The level off was very smooth and gentle either and a/c was just floating and bleeding the speed until 2:45.
At 2:45 the a/c almost kissed the ground, but ballooned. It could be, the stick back pressure was relaxed just a tiny bit here as the a/c pitch up moment was arrested.
Some a/c types or their configuration (CofG, speed and mechanisation) require at least 2-4 bounces on its own before eventually recover with the full throttle and stick frozen in climbing position.
Well I wonder, if Suchoi or any other plane was tested on the bounce recovery given the speed, weigh, CofG and mechanisation used in this scenario?
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I have never thought the airlines encourage it - the Pax started it for convenience - especially on connections. Carriers just had to adapt. Later some carriers made a virtue out of it but, I reckon, did not start it. Now they know the Pax want this and want to pay as little money as possible.
I have never thought the airlines encourage it - the Pax started it for convenience - especially on connections. Carriers just had to adapt. Later some carriers made a virtue out of it but, I reckon, did not start it. Now they know the Pax want this and want to pay as little money as possible.
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not just convenience but security too, perhaps if electrical goods were safe in the baggage handling world then more people might be tempted to put their cameras, laptops etc
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Yep, watching this video, the first impression as if the engines were idle all the way down. Then, if one uses headphones and full volume, a very low frequency fluctuations may be heard from 2:20 onwards, giving an idea of possible minimal throttle inputs over the runway.
There is also a characteristic air rambling noise corresponding either main gears or flaps, or spoilers.
Not much fluctuation in pitch, roll or air flow noise, suggesting that the approach was one of the most stable possible and gentle on the controls.
The level off was very smooth and gentle either and a/c was just floating and bleeding the speed until 2:45.
At 2:45 the a/c almost kissed the ground, but ballooned. It could be, the stick back pressure was relaxed just a tiny bit here as the a/c pitch up moment was arrested.
Some a/c types or their configuration (CofG, speed and mechanisation) require at least 2-4 bounces on its own before eventually recover with the full throttle and stick frozen in climbing position.
Well I wonder, if Suchoi or any other plane was tested on the bounce recovery given the speed, weigh, CofG and mechanisation used in this scenario?
There is also a characteristic air rambling noise corresponding either main gears or flaps, or spoilers.
Not much fluctuation in pitch, roll or air flow noise, suggesting that the approach was one of the most stable possible and gentle on the controls.
The level off was very smooth and gentle either and a/c was just floating and bleeding the speed until 2:45.
At 2:45 the a/c almost kissed the ground, but ballooned. It could be, the stick back pressure was relaxed just a tiny bit here as the a/c pitch up moment was arrested.
Some a/c types or their configuration (CofG, speed and mechanisation) require at least 2-4 bounces on its own before eventually recover with the full throttle and stick frozen in climbing position.
Well I wonder, if Suchoi or any other plane was tested on the bounce recovery given the speed, weigh, CofG and mechanisation used in this scenario?
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