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Easyjet Emergency

Old 24th Apr 2019, 20:39
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Originally Posted by KelvinD
As far as I can tell, the aircraft is still on the ground at Manchester, 8 hours after landing.
Indeed it is.

Originally Posted by Paul852
Took off again from MAN at 18:17 to ACE
The flight to ACE took off, but with a replacement aircraft.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 20:40
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I a pilot declares an emergency then he deems the situation deserves it. He can always downgrade. If a controller hears someone coming in with a problem he can if he so wishes call a "local" emergency. He is, after all, responsibe for a lot of real estate, airspace and aircraft and if calling it an emergency makes his life a whole lot easier I see absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. Too many people on this site are so far up their own @rses that they seem to find it difficult to accept someone has a different opinion or way of operating to theirs. If you live in a climate of fear at your particular airline/aerodrome that declaring an emergency will have you in front of the CP/SATCO then I feel sorry for you. Not all of us live under that umbrella and feel able to make up our minds accordingly and deal with the situation as we deem fit. Over.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:11
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Originally Posted by gearlever
I'm afraid you have no clue what declearing an emergency in fact means.....
Oh boy.
At least here in the States, squawking 7700 is not the same as declaring an emergency. In fact, if you're already talking to ATC, you shouldn't squawk 7700 even if you've declared an emergency, unless ATC asks you to.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by lurkio
I a pilot declares an emergency Over.
Pilot paid to make that judgement call. It is their judgement end of story. Never going to query it. If in doubt go back to the "Pilot paid to make that judgement call".
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:40
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I'm afraid you have no clue what declearing an emergency in fact means.....
And I would suggest that you obviously have no clue how ATC works and WHY they request you to set 7700. Oh boy!
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 21:44
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This far, and no one has posted the METARS . . . I want to know the surface wind!!!!!!
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 23:02
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Hotel Tango his the nail on the head. I don't care who is in charge of or who owns an aircraft, if I ask for 7700 (even if not an emergency) then I suggest you select it ASAP as I'll have a VERY good reason for asking that you probably have no idea about. I use it when weather avoiding sometimes, you won't follow my instructions so I need the squawk. Otherwise you can do your own coordination with French Military - good luck.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 23:26
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Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
And I would suggest that you obviously have no clue how ATC works and WHY they request you to set 7700. Oh boy!
Precisely, gearlever seriously needs to get over himself, perhaps it's time to hang up the hat when your ego no longer fits inside the seams. 7700 is a CONSPICUITY CODE, meaning you're conspicuous. By selecting it, you should appear on all Radar screens, regardless of level filters. This means that every controller viewing that geographical sector, no matter which levels they're responsible for, can see you.

Is setting 7700 legally 'declaring an emergency', or just setting an emergency transponder code? In Europe, as far as I understand, an emergency isn't declared without making a mayday or a pan.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 06:56
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EGCC-A1139/19From: 19/04/2019 03:00 UTC
To: 03/05/2019 05:00 UTCAD NOT AVAILABLE FOR DIVERTED TRAFFIC, EXCLUDING EMERGENCIES
In the U.K. some airports will not accept you unless you declare urgency or emergency.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 07:01
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How dear ! Bruised egos or ignorance or old age again .
Back to the book : declaring an emergency will give you priority and assistance from ATC. Period . It is not an admission of failure ,
Squawking 7700 will just get you priority and, as already said here , will warn everyone else that you might divert from your flight plan ,and/or altitude and that is including the military ,
in todays world of pancakes sectors there are plenty of other sectors below you , some even located in another country .
So when ATC ask you to set 7700 , if is to make sure you will not hit someone else on the way down and possibly to save you the cost of being intercepted .

As to refusing to do it , of course as PIC you always can refuse to follow any ATC instruction , you just will have to explain why afterwards in an office over tea/coffee.!
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 07:04
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Flaps Downwind?

Hopefully we have now done the ‘7700’ bit to death and can focus on why an aircraft with a reported Flap problem would opt for a downwind landing! Doesn’t seem the natural choice.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 07:23
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Originally Posted by loose rivets
this far, and no one has posted the metars . . . I want to know the surface wind!!!!!!
sa24/04/2019 16:20->metar cor egcc 241620z 14008kt 090v190 9999 6000ne -shra
vcts few027cb bkn037 14/12 q0990 rets retsra reshra
tempo 4000 +shra tsgr bkn014 bkn025cb


sa24/04/2019 15:50->metar cor egcc 241550z 10007kt 050v160 9999 7000s few031
sct044cb 18/11 q0989 tempo 4000 +shra tsgr
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 07:30
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KiloB - are you not aware that the opportunity to pursue an off topic and often pointless argument will take priority over a statement of bald facts at any time! This is PPRuNe, for heavens sake!
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:37
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As captain of the aircraft, my responsibility was to the safety of said aircraft, crew and passengers. If part of that responsibility is to do what ATC ask, then yes, I would do it. I have the picture of my aeroplane; they have the full plot. End of.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by gearlever
Flaps issue = Emergency?


....I'm afraid you have no clue what declearing an emergency in fact means.....
Oh boy.

... Who is in charge of the airplane?

I'm getting old....
'gearlever' once believed they were top dog, wrestling big heavy machines around the sky with little if any assistance from anyone else, such was their confidence in their God-given skills and massive ego.

In more recent times, now much older, they play with much smaller things which can barely rise or stay up - usually from the comfort of an armchair, which has its own odour. But the ego remains, so they are keen to spout forth on any subject, claiming it wouldn't be close to an emergency for them back in their glory days when they felt in their prime, no matter even if it is ATC who requests them such a simple courtesy as to set a squawk - such humiliation for such a fragile ego.

Please be gentle on them in their dotage.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:27
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Liverpool Echo is quoting a passenger as saying the captain announced it was a bird strike.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...duled-16176605

Sue Candler, who was travelling with her husband, said:

"As we were taking off I could hear from vibrations coming from behind me but we couldn't feel them. I wondered what was going on and then a few minutes after take off the pilot said we would be landing at Manchester due to a bird getting caught in the engine. We landed at about 3.30pm and were moved to another aircraft to go on to Lanzarote.

"The pilot came out and spoke to us as we were waiting to get off and explained that a bird had got caught in the engine during take off and it was safer to land and have the plane checked over."

Sounds like a very reasonable 7700 squawk to me but then I'm old but not bold.

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Old 25th Apr 2019, 16:58
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Easyjet emergency

As the original poster I am mildly amused by the replies to a simple question of why a A320 took off from one airport, circled three times and then landed downwind against the traffic flow at another airport.
Alf5071h decided it was not eventfull enough for Rumours & News.
Paul852 presumed a passenger became unruly as soon as the aircraft became airborne.
Lomopaseo wanted a definition of 'dived', presumably with his lawyer's hat on.
Gearlever ( a real star) decided an undefined flap issue was not an emergency.
Gearlever then decided that commonly accepted rules regarding squawking 7700 do not apply to him because he knows better.
Gearlever offered the opinion that none of us know what an emergency is.
Several contributors then had a very interesting discussion about the merits of squawking 7700 (interesting but irrelevent to the original question).
Thank you Auxtank for the answer.

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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:39
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Well it’s been fun

Turns out it was a birdstrike leading to high engine vibrations.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:53
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Originally Posted by bar none
As the original poster I am mildly amused by the replies to a simple question of why a A320 took off from one airport, circled three times and then landed downwind against the traffic flow at another airport.
Alf5071h decided it was not eventfull enough for Rumours & News.
Paul852 presumed a passenger became unruly as soon as the aircraft became airborne.
Lomopaseo wanted a definition of 'dived', presumably with his lawyer's hat on.
Gearlever ( a real star) decided an undefined flap issue was not an emergency.
Gearlever then decided that commonly accepted rules regarding squawking 7700 do not apply to him because he knows better.
Gearlever offered the opinion that none of us know what an emergency is.
Several contributors then had a very interesting discussion about the merits of squawking 7700 (interesting but irrelevent to the original question).
Thank you Auxtank for the answer.
You're most welcome bar none.
I tend to stay away from the initial hysteria of R and N and post a day or so later when at least the basic facts become known.
This particular thread seems to have garnered a high proportion of hysterics - must be the time of year - so has I suppose, been amusing if not informative in the slightest.
Thanks for posting.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:57
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Originally Posted by gearlever
To my understanding declearing an emergency (7700) rests solely with the commander.
Originally Posted by simmple
FFS even if the problem is minor and atc “ask” you to squark 7700 why would you just not do it instead of having a p@##&)g contest about who is in charge, command, the boss etc!
When I was training to be a controller for Eurocontrol we were definitely trained how to declare an emergency for an aircraft, also in the USA the dispatcher can declare an emergency, and I would not be surprised if the same is true over there.
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