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EASA research into Age limitations final report released

Old 15th Mar 2019, 13:49
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EASA research into Age limitations final report released

Final report now released from the EASA Research Project on Age Limitations for Commercial Pilots. The recommendations might be good news for the single pilot 60-65 group.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...SEA_2017_1.pdf
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 18:12
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Doesn’t look good if you want the age changed.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 08:36
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I think that all contracts should only go to 65 with a voluntary option to continue beyond 65 subject to the extended testing recommended. Whether employers would agree to extensions beyond 65 is another matter, for years some companies had 55-56 as the retirement age when the limit was still 60. Personally I resented being forced into retirement at age 60 but would have gone quietly at 65. There will always be some who are fit and able to go beyond 65.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 09:04
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65 is ok but

65 is ok But only if we are allowed state pensions at 65.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 11:47
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Para : Me too. I would have gone quietly to 65. In my outfit, we were cleared to do so but they really messed it up. I decided not to remain quiet and got right royally kicked in the ollies. Out at 61. Some others did stay quiet but got slung out a year later.

Any one know how Captain Bayley got on with his legal case with the UK CAA ? I would ask him myself but I think I upset him too as I didn't even get an Xmas card.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 16:16
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Interesting report based on only 7 articles and data from only 6 out of 18 participating authorities plus this data is based on effectively failed medicals not incapacitation.

The good news is that an extension of single pilot commercial operations to 65th birthday is safe enough for up to 6 passengers although for 7-9 passengers the safe age limit seems to be claimed as 45-54!!!

The worry is that the suggestion is to introduce risk assessment from age 40 with coronary angiography and calcium scores for risk that may be based on issues like stress, financial worries and commuting - something pilots never experience

It will be interesting to see how this is taken up, noting that the individual pilot must be compared with risk in the population of the country of issue but could lead to much more investigation and cost from age 40 and a number of pilots having medicals refused on the basis of perceived risk scores possibly in the absence of any pathology.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 04:46
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Why on Earth would you want to fly past 65????
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 04:53
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Right around the European continent exasperated airline management come to the long denied, buried and ignored reality.

Human capital matters, pilots are as demographics foretold, retiring in ever increasing numbers.
Airline management has pushed regulatory limits, making them targets, in in the drive for 'efficiency'
Curiously though their 'work' is only weekday.

Aging and tiring pilots can't be fixed by endless increases in pensionable age.

Time for some investment airline management, you are going to need it and it isn't a new fleet!
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 06:10
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age limitations

many airlines and recruitment agencies are living in the dark ages, Turkish Airlines have for a long time had an upper age of 45 years and many recruitment agencies think you're past it after 50.

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Old 17th Mar 2019, 10:27
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I am pretty sure the Turkish Airlines limit is not 45 for captains. I know of people well over that age getting in (even non type rated).
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 12:43
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Why on Earth would you want to fly past 65????

I would not want, but I will have to. Age 67 for the state pension in Germany.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:56
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Hey Smythe. I once came across a flight engineer on an american freighter who showed up on the Gen Dec as 74 years old.
I asked the captain "he's 74 years old, how come he is still flying ?"
3 ex wives was the answer.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 09:47
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Why on Earth would you want to fly past 65????
For example because the government in your country raised the minimum pension age for commercial pilots from 56 to 67, like over here in Belgium. You are no longer allowed to fly, but you are only allowed to retire two years later.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:32
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Devil Fly +65

We shoul be able to fly wile medical and technical still ok.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 14:25
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For example because the government in your country raised the minimum pension age for commercial pilots from 56 to 67, like over here in Belgium. You are no longer allowed to fly, but you are only allowed to retire two years later.
That is true in the US as well for those born after 1960.

Assessing and managing the risk associated with the physical aspects of an aging pilot is good and continues to improve. The problem, in my view, is assessing cognitive decline. I come to the opinion that after a certain age a pilot should not be allowed to train in a new aircraft. Whatís that age? 61, 62, 63, that I am not sure but it has become clear to me as a check and training airman that at a certain age the mental capacity of a pilot to successfully train in a new aircraft is diminished. Before all you old geezers start flaming me (Iím 57 BTW), I admit this is an annectodal observation.
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Old 23rd Mar 2019, 04:33
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Angry BS in BS out

I am astounded that this report has used derived data from questionable sources to come to the conclusions that it has in particular data from an aging private pilot group in the USA. That group is not monitored medically or practically in the manner professional pilots are.

There are several nations that have increased age limits and some with no age limit (Australia and New Zealand etc) yet data on the actual events of incapacitation and other incidents that may be age related has not been used.

The other curious factor is that there are established criteria for acceptable rates of systems failures used in the design of just about everything on an aircraft. It appears to me that the standards being applied here are way above those required for other systems on the aircraft particularly on multi crewed aircraft.

Age limits are just another form of discrimination ..... Medical Standards and Cognitive testing are not discriminatory and that's where we should be. If safety is really the issue those standards should be improved and apply to all pilots no matter their age.
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