Norwegian Air Boeing 737MAX8 stuck in Iran
Simulations are based on mathematical modelling of the real thing. I can pretty well guarantee that no one has done the work of capturing actual single engine takeoff data in a B737 to aid in programming a simulator for that scenario. If indeed you were successful at trying it, all you saw was a "best guess" performed by the software.
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Some earlier single engine ferry discussion on PPRuNe in this 2005 thread:
A330 - One Engine Ferry?!?
A330 - One Engine Ferry?!?
tdracer didn't say that. Not for the first time, you like to misquote people in attempting to make your point. It is not clever.
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tdracer didn't say that. Not for the first time, you like to misquote people in attempting to make your point. It is not clever.
As far as I know, tdracer is an engineer and does not fly for a living. As one might therefore expect, his/her posts invariably make a lot of sense and he/she always seems willing to debate technical subjects in a civilised manner.
Now can we get back on-topic, please?
So why quote tdracer in your post which you make your criticisms if you weren't directing your remarks at him/her? It very much implies they are the target of your criticism, and is not clever. If your criticism referred to comments from someone else, why not quote them and the relevant comments instead? But as always, I'm sure you know best, and you'll probably be back to let us all know.
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So why quote tdracer in your post which you make your criticisms if you weren't directing your remarks at him/her? It very much implies they are the target of your criticism, and is not clever. If your criticism referred to comments from someone else, why not quote them and the relevant comments instead? But as always, I'm sure you know best, and you'll probably be back to let us all know.
Now back to your regularly schedule program...
I suspect getting the needed paperwork to send a replacement LEAP engine to Iran was caught up in the US government shutdown. The shutdown is now ended (at least temporarily) so maybe this can now get straightened out.
Any news?
I just heard an NPR Planet Money podcast on this, they interviewed passengers, a lawyer specialising in sanctions, described the passenger's experience in Iran, and that they plane that evacuated them also needed to make an emergency landing.
No talk of a one engine getaway unfortunately :-)
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510289/planet-money
I just heard an NPR Planet Money podcast on this, they interviewed passengers, a lawyer specialising in sanctions, described the passenger's experience in Iran, and that they plane that evacuated them also needed to make an emergency landing.
No talk of a one engine getaway unfortunately :-)
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510289/planet-money
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a lot of armchair consultants here. None of whom have flown a 73. There’s a reason the rudder is big. Vmcg. Google that and go play flight sim in your moms house some more. The pilots will be chasing girls and sippin’ Duty free whiskey while you’re doing that. Get back to us and let us know what you think. Cheers. DRUK, you’re ok in my book.
TUI/TOM/BY blew an engine about a week ago on a new MAX flying from Egypt to UK and diverted to Crete - A new LEAP was flown out a few days ago and the MAX flew back to the UK yesterday.
Still took over a week but not like the sanctions debacle facing the D8 /DI MAX stranded in Iran for past 2 months.
Still took over a week but not like the sanctions debacle facing the D8 /DI MAX stranded in Iran for past 2 months.
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2 months ! This fiasco is also sending the wrong message safety-wise , putting unnecessary pressure to crews by their Ops not to divert to Iran anymore in case of problems or even emergency, and possibly try to stretch it to divert in a neighboring place ( although Afghanistan is probably not much better). Putting political issues /sanctions on aircraft AOG after a diversion should not be there.
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2 months ! This fiasco is also sending the wrong message safety-wise , putting unnecessary pressure to crews by their Ops not to divert to Iran anymore in case of problems or even emergency, and possibly try to stretch it to divert in a neighboring place ( although Afghanistan is probably not much better). Putting political issues /sanctions on aircraft AOG after a diversion should not be there.
I know from reliable source Boeing is pushing OFAC on this but it still can take a few month more.
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Politics erodes Safety!
ATC Watcher.
Spot on You are.
We need to get back to basics as per ICAO agreement, rules and recommendations.
We are in a sad state when Crew need to make political considerations before committing to an alternate in an Emergency.
Cargo one.
Yes, I would imagine that Mr Boeing is not happy with Washington on this one. I hope they push hard. ( Over the cliff he goes, sorry, could not be helped.)
The idea that I have to ask Donald were to bring my excellent Buck folding knife ( purchased in Canada exported to Norway with no export licence in 1993 ) does not appeal to me.
F35s sure,but taping up a busted MAX and getting it home to Oslo ASAP should trigger some RealPolitik executive orders.
BTW
The longer it sit there the more tempted I would be to have a look/see at all the fancy modern stuff inside it , if I was the top Spy Guy in Iran.
Just an observation.
Mind You Iran is adhering to the letter and intent of the old Nuclear agreement and are honoring any ICAO commitments in this case.
Anyway
It will be back before Easter, I bet.
Consider it a novel winter dry storage of excess aircraft.
Spot on You are.
We need to get back to basics as per ICAO agreement, rules and recommendations.
We are in a sad state when Crew need to make political considerations before committing to an alternate in an Emergency.
Cargo one.
Yes, I would imagine that Mr Boeing is not happy with Washington on this one. I hope they push hard. ( Over the cliff he goes, sorry, could not be helped.)
The idea that I have to ask Donald were to bring my excellent Buck folding knife ( purchased in Canada exported to Norway with no export licence in 1993 ) does not appeal to me.
F35s sure,but taping up a busted MAX and getting it home to Oslo ASAP should trigger some RealPolitik executive orders.
BTW
The longer it sit there the more tempted I would be to have a look/see at all the fancy modern stuff inside it , if I was the top Spy Guy in Iran.
Just an observation.
Mind You Iran is adhering to the letter and intent of the old Nuclear agreement and are honoring any ICAO commitments in this case.
Anyway
It will be back before Easter, I bet.
Consider it a novel winter dry storage of excess aircraft.
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TUI/TOM/BY blew an engine about a week ago on a new MAX flying from Egypt to UK and diverted to Crete - A new LEAP was flown out a few days ago and the MAX flew back to the UK yesterday.
Still took over a week but not like the sanctions debacle facing the D8 /DI MAX stranded in Iran for past 2 months.
Still took over a week but not like the sanctions debacle facing the D8 /DI MAX stranded in Iran for past 2 months.
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ATC Watcher.
Spot on You are.
We need to get back to basics as per ICAO agreement, rules and recommendations.
We are in a sad state when Crew need to make political considerations before committing to an alternate in an Emergency.
Cargo one.
Yes, I would imagine that Mr Boeing is not happy with Washington on this one. I hope they push hard. ( Over the cliff he goes, sorry, could not be helped.)
The idea that I have to ask Donald were to bring my excellent Buck folding knife ( purchased in Canada exported to Norway with no export licence in 1993 ) does not appeal to me.
F35s sure,but taping up a busted MAX and getting it home to Oslo ASAP should trigger some RealPolitik executive orders.
BTW
The longer it sit there the more tempted I would be to have a look/see at all the fancy modern stuff inside it , if I was the top Spy Guy in Iran.
Just an observation.
Mind You Iran is adhering to the letter and intent of the old Nuclear agreement and are honoring any ICAO commitments in this case.
Anyway
It will be back before Easter, I bet.
Consider it a novel winter dry storage of excess aircraft.
Spot on You are.
We need to get back to basics as per ICAO agreement, rules and recommendations.
We are in a sad state when Crew need to make political considerations before committing to an alternate in an Emergency.
Cargo one.
Yes, I would imagine that Mr Boeing is not happy with Washington on this one. I hope they push hard. ( Over the cliff he goes, sorry, could not be helped.)
The idea that I have to ask Donald were to bring my excellent Buck folding knife ( purchased in Canada exported to Norway with no export licence in 1993 ) does not appeal to me.
F35s sure,but taping up a busted MAX and getting it home to Oslo ASAP should trigger some RealPolitik executive orders.
BTW
The longer it sit there the more tempted I would be to have a look/see at all the fancy modern stuff inside it , if I was the top Spy Guy in Iran.
Just an observation.
Mind You Iran is adhering to the letter and intent of the old Nuclear agreement and are honoring any ICAO commitments in this case.
Anyway
It will be back before Easter, I bet.
Consider it a novel winter dry storage of excess aircraft.
Norwegians pilot management are in the main a practical bunch, you won’t be invited for tea no biscuits for flying a further 10-30 minutes with OEI and avoiding Iran, most of the guys doing these routes have ETOPS experience, the biggest practicality is explaining to ATC why you need to descend to FL230 but not diverting.
IMPO having the aircraft stuck in a country under sanctions might make it not suitable
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