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Norwegian Air Boeing 737MAX8 stuck in Iran

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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 21:44
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 04:01
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Can't the govt of Norway nicely ask the US for a sanction waiver?
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 07:07
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I just have to ask questions of the people who think an aircraft that is just weeks old should be abandoned on an airfield in Iran.

How do you expect Boeing to sell aircraft if the aircraft can’t be fixed when it lands someplace the USA has a problem with ?

Do you think any US administration will damage a major US company by imposing such conditions ?

What is the point of leaving a whole new aircraft in Iran for the locals to examine and gain industrial knowledge when the alternative is for a Norwegian mantanance crew to show up with a new engine, fix the aircraft and pack the whole show up and go home leaving nothing for the Iranians to look at ?

Given the above facts why would the US govenment not issue an export licence to enable the parts to be exported to Norway and fitted to he aircraft in Iran ? otherwise you have just exported a whole aircraft to Iran !
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 08:24
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I don't think the US sanctions are about denying Iran access to knowledge, but rather they are to deny procurement of technological assets. The Iranians already know how their current fleet works, they just can't get the parts for them. This aircraft is no use to them because it's broken, they can't get the parts to fix it and they can't use its parts to fix anything else. It's up to people on a much higher pay grade than us to decide what matters more - recovering a commercial aircraft that Iran could easily learn about by embedding technicians in the workforce of a sympathetic airline, or holding the line that sanctions will not be compromised, no matter what commercial interests (or common sense) may say.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 14:44
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The only minor problem with normal logic is somehow the American people have put Mr Stupid in the white house.
These sanctions are not something new, they are in place for decades. It was just a matter how strictly US was observing compliance to it - and now it is tightened. Single 737max value is nothing in this game, US President will not pick up the phone to solve a problem of $50m unless it is his private property...
So Merry XMas and hope OFAC will say something before Spring...
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 15:51
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Interesting that DY is still routing flights over Iran to OSL.
BA seems to be flying up the Gulf and over Iraq to LHR.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 16:10
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Why the speculation?

Has the airline itself said that a parts embargo is restricting the repair. If that were true, it would be all over the news in the US.

It's up to the airline to work this out. I doubt if anybody in the US will interfere (although probably nobody is at work answering phones)
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 18:25
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Just a curious point, Does any one schedule 737Maxs into Iran?
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 23:32
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But now technicians from Norwegian have started the repair. Pictures, which aeroTELEGRAPH got from Shiraz, they show when working on the Boeing 737 Max. The machine is still in Shiraz. The left engine cowling is open. The aircraft with the license plate LN-BKE was only delivered to Norwegian at the end of October.

aerotelegraph.com/norwegian-techniker-beginnen-mit-reparatur
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 00:14
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Isn't everyone making a lot of noise over almost nothing? Parts aren't being exported to Iran. It's a LEAP engine being repaired or replaced under warranty. Falls under international air transport rules of which Iran is a member. Of more interest is delay in repair unless engine is more severe than indicated and engine needs to be replaced. LEAP engines are not that easy to come by. We aren't talking about KAL 007 here.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 01:49
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We should compare how long it takes to resolve an AOG in Shiraz vs. Shemya
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 04:43
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Originally Posted by NWA SLF View Post
Isn't everyone making a lot of noise over almost nothing? Parts aren't being exported to Iran. It's a LEAP engine being repaired or replaced under warranty. Falls under international air transport rules of which Iran is a member. Of more interest is delay in repair unless engine is more severe than indicated and engine needs to be replaced. LEAP engines are not that easy to come by. We aren't talking about KAL 007 here.
exactly....too many experts...
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 10:50
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OK!
I suppose You refer to his rather clumsy attempt to underpay the US based cabin crew on the 787.
Or OSM contracts for pilots?
I am not a 100% up to speed on what happened there, BUT:
Bjørn Kjos has stated several times that if he had it his way the aviation industry should be like the shipping industry: Totally global, lowcost cabin crew and just a few senior officers to make sure the the ships dont run aground on a regular basis!
As fare as he is concerned it is all about the money, if Liberia , Andorra or Ullan Bator gives him better conditions then Norway USA or Ireland that is were he is heading. Fortunately now it looks like Sweden is his latest foxhole??
This man make Micahel O and Gordon Gecko look like armatures, IF he pulls it off!
I have very mixed feelings about this man.
I still wish him luck ,BUT as MOL has found out, one must follow the law of the land.
He, of all, should know, considering he is an accomplished Merchant marine Lawyer.
To be continued
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 12:48
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Originally Posted by climber314 View Post
With fuel to burn, a jet certified for ETOPS and one good engine, KWI is only 280 miles.
Iran doesn't make my alternate list unless it's a life or death emergency.
This guy needs to be schooled in procedures, reduce his reliance on social media for facts and actually get first hand knowledge.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 14:28
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying View Post
We should compare how long it takes to resolve an AOG in Shiraz vs. Shemya
Delta wins.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 11:21
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Originally Posted by NWA SLF View Post
Isn't everyone making a lot of noise over almost nothing? Parts aren't being exported to Iran. It's a LEAP engine being repaired or replaced under warranty. Falls under international air transport rules of which Iran is a member.
Another one here with a common sense but no practical knowlegde. Anyway would you kindly make a reference to so called “international air transport rules” and specifically to the part dealing with customs regulations (even before considering sanctions)? Hint: anything UN or ICAO is not a rule but just a guidance no one cares about. Anyone in airline spares logistics can tell you what it is in real world to ship and clear parts in Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Russia, Cuba, Chad or Congo. Now add OFAC angle on top of it...
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 00:49
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and clear parts.... parts not entering country??
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 03:56
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying View Post
We should compare how long it takes to resolve an AOG in Shiraz vs. Shemya
Rather Be Flying Shemya is part of Alaska so trade rules won't apply
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 10:59
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and clear parts.... parts not entering country??
You have to clear the parts. Many countries do not charge taxes and duties on transport category aircraft parts but you still need to clear it. I don”t know where this popular idea of parts not entering country coming from.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 14:38
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I think CargoOne is correct - I have attended many overseas AOG situations and any spares always had to be Customs cleared irrespective of whether they were staying in the country or being shipped straight back out. The only exception was for small spares that were going hand of crew on the flight deck of another service.
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