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BA Wetlease

Old 3rd Sep 2018, 16:19
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
BA has long wet-leased aircraft in as required to meet capacity shortfalls, for all sorts of reasons, from fleet issues to increases in demand beyond the normal fleet planning process. I recall back in the late 1970s Britannia Airways 737s at Heathrow (otherwise quite unknown there) which were covering yet another fleet issue on the Tridents.

Anyone remember the N-registered American Trans Air 727, with minimal BA titles, on London-Glasgow ?
We, too, were on a Titan sub earlier in the year, which I quite looked forward to having heard other accounts, and although a 767 sub for a 737-800 load gave plenty of space, the crew all round were distinctly underwhelming.
Indeed, amongst others BA in the past have used are Transavia 737-200's to try them out first before they got their own order, plus Air 2000 757's on the old shuttle routes in my time at LHR, and the ATA 727-100 was usually at LGW and operated from there.

Apart from the Titan (733/734 A320 757) and Qatar hardware that BA are subbing at present, also include the Privatair 737-700 doing up to 3 round trips a day from LGW, and an Air Belgium A340-300 at LHR doing CAI and SVO. The former Finnair aircraft is in 18J/21W/264Y configuration.

At LCY JOTA Aviation RJ85 are again flying for BACF.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 17:05
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
Although not the final plan, it appears to go from a Seniority based system, to near Blindlines for all!!
I think to be fair though if you’re super senior you’re still going to get pretty decent satisfaction out of it, except the days of Short Haul guys coming in for ten or eleven high credit day trips and taking the rest of the month off are going to be a thing of the past. Likewise super senior on Long Haul aren’t going to be doing 3/4 Cape Towns every month. Everybody else though I imagine will get a shafting, the firmness of said shafting will depend on your place on the list. Sorry for drifting it back to JSS.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 17:22
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Originally Posted by gcal View Post
I've just flown as a pax on a Titan 737-400 which was an ex BA aircraft and I have to say the service was excellent, the leg room good and the you get a complimentary drink and a decent sandwich (none of this Marks and Sparks twaddle) It felt like being on a British airline if you can understand that and had an identity in that Monarch kind of way.
BA short haul are absolutely rubbish, tired interiors, leg room in economy an utter joke, BA Cityflyer puts them to shame ditto Aer Lingus, Ryanair have more leg room.

Titan are a class act in part because their CC are trained for VIP & silver service standards, classy uniforms and great attitudes.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 17:32
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Originally Posted by EIFFS View Post


BA short haul are absolutely rubbish, tired interiors, leg room in economy an utter joke, BA Cityflyer puts them to shame ditto Aer Lingus, Ryanair have more leg room.

Titan are a class act in part because their CC are trained for VIP & silver service standards, classy uniforms and great attitudes.
Comment on Titan spot on. Qatar are getting good reports also
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 18:12
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Originally Posted by mcdhu View Post
Made the mistake of booking BA shorthaul J operated by Titan - not good.
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Full flight ALC to LGW. Usual boarding shambles (no fault of the crew), too many huge bags being brought on board with nowhere to put them. The small amount of space available in the J lockers was soon used up by large gentlemen from behind shoehorning said huge bags into small spaces - sometimes using (in my view) excessive force.
Therefore, after TO, we were subjected to a procession of said large gentlemen wanting access to said huge bags in order to retrieve whatever they had omitted to have available about their persons for the duration of the flight.
The BA curtain, policed by the crew, prevents this unseemly, disruptive procession which we pay extra to avoid.
The crew were willing, cheerful and smart, but had no control over the behaviours described above which makes me wish I had not paid the extra for J.
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 07:24
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Originally Posted by EIFFS View Post
Titan are a class act in part because their CC are trained for VIP & silver service standards, classy uniforms and great attitudes.
That's what I had heard, so was almost like I was on a Titan (767) from a parallel universe. Spaced out cabin crew, most time spent in galley gossip. Dreary 1970s brown uniforms. And an extraordinarily snappy and non-CRM commander who gave a high volume rollocking at door 1L to the dispatcher in full view of the pax in the forward cabin.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 05:36
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As quoted elsewhere any flight operated by QR for BA would be considered an upgrade be it long or short haul.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 14:49
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Originally Posted by crewmeal View Post
As quoted elsewhere any flight operated by QR for BA would be considered an upgrade be it long or short haul.
If you enjoy getting served by identikit female robots going through the motions devoid of any emotion, drained of all joy for life (much like a tired call girl questioning her life choices), yes youll love it. Good hard product though, absolutely.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 17:36
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If you enjoy getting served by identikit female robots going through the motions devoid of any emotion, drained of all joy for life (much like a tired call girl questioning her life choices), yes you’ll love it. Good hard product though, absolutely.
https://www.qatarairways.com/en/abou...s/awards.html#

i often think what a wonderful job our cabin crew do.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 07:33
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At least the Qatari fleet, disgracefully (and unsuccessfully) drafted in for strike-breaking have been safely packed off home.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 12:00
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Originally Posted by Magplug View Post
They need both and they need them.... yesterday. The word is that the recruiters want to get moving and get offers out to the candidates already interviewed so they can tender their 3 months notice to current employers, but the bean-counters won't approve the expenditure in this years' budget so no offers going out until Jan 2019.
This is absolute twoddle! Plenty of offers going out continually this summer, for inductions starting Oct, Nov, and Dec
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 13:07
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
At least the Qatari fleet, disgracefully (and unsuccessfully) drafted in for strike-breaking have been safely packed off home.
The QR A330 leasing has nothing to do with Strike breaking! To cover aircraft shortfalls due ongoing B787 engine problems. As QR have a substantial share in IAG seems an eminently suitable arrangement.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 13:16
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
The QR A330 leasing has nothing to do with Strike breaking! To cover aircraft shortfalls due ongoing B787 engine problems. As QR have a substantial share in IAG seems an eminently suitable arrangement.
I assume the reference was to last year's lease of Qatar A320s to mitigate the effects of the mixed fleet cabin crew strike. But you probably knew that.
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Old 12th Sep 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Porky Speedpig View Post
The shorthaul leases are due to the acquisition of slots from Monarch at LGW. Impossible to ramp up aircraft and crew resources that quickly but needed to operate slots under 80/20 rules hence wet leases.
Qatar and shortly Air Belgium leases on long haul due to 787 aircraft grounded (5 at the moment I think) due to Rolls Royce Trent engine issues and subsequent operating restrictions enforced.

Just saw this too (A340 lease):

https://www.mro-network.com/airlines/british-airways-lease-air-belgium-a340s-787-trent-engines-are-inspected?NL=AW-022&Issue=AW-022_20180912_AW-022_848&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_1&utm_rid=CPEN1000001584591 &utm_campaign=16337&utm_medium=email&elq2=6fa7f7241fb04c129a 67513b3771974b
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 17:32
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Will BA be using any WET LEASE this summer at LGW
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 12:27
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Originally Posted by gcal View Post
I've just flown as a pax on a Titan 737-400 which was an ex BA aircraft and I have to say the service was excellent, the leg room good and the you get a complimentary drink and a decent sandwich (none of this Marks and Sparks twaddle) It felt like being on a British airline if you can understand that and had an identity in that Monarch kind of way.
According to wikipedia, they have only one 737-400 which is a cargo plane.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 14:19
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Originally Posted by BRE View Post
According to wikipedia, they have only one 737-400 which is a cargo plane.
They have two B734s, in fact they had 3 back in August when the post that you quoted from refers to. Only one of them is a freighter. He/she probably didn't fly on that one.
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