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Old 12th Aug 2018, 10:53
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PC-6 crash in PNG

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45160772
Not the easiest or safest part of the world to fly.
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Geographical semantics: Papua, Indonesia, near the border with PNG (same island, two different countries).
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It's terrible country for flying - but there is no real alternative
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The “PC-6” referenced was in point-of-fact a PAC750XL, PK-HVQ.
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It's terrible country for flying - but there is no real alternative
Pretty awesome country for flying, visually stunning and interesting destinations.

That said one does need to respect the weather. It is a factor in most accidents. To me, it seems that with more capable planes there is less respect for the weather.
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Not the easiest or safest part of the world to fly.
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The “PC-6” referenced was in point-of-fact a PAC750XL, PK-HVQ.
https://regional.kompas.com/read/201...g-anak-selamatPlease be aware the victims are named in this article.
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https://regional.kompas.com/read/201...g-anak-selamatPlease be aware the victims are named in this article.
Yes, stormfury I am fully aware that media reports state it was a PC-6. The FACT of the matter is, the airframe Was Indeed a PAC750XL. It was imported from SAF around 18 months ago. The aircraft was flown by a PNG national who had been flying in Indonesian Papua for about the last 12 months. The copilot was a man I knew personally and had worked with in the not too distant past.

If if you can figure out from that, that I have some knowledge of what I speak, you will accept that the media have the aircraft type wrong.
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Yes, stormfury I am fully aware that media reports state it was a PC-6.
The various media reports misidentifying the aircraft type all quote a common source - AFP - so it's not surprising that there are a number of them.

The BBC report, linked in post #1, has subsequently been amended to remove the Pilatus reference, although the dateline doesn't mention the fact that it has been edited.
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First reports very often get things wrong, especially in more remote areas.
Being in Indonesian territory we are unlikely to see a published investigation report but the most probable cause will be weather related CFIT which is always a major hazard in the area.

Condolences to all concerned and may their memory be a blessing.
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Yes, stormfury I am fully aware that media reports state it was a PC-6. The FACT of the matter is, the airframe Was Indeed a PAC750XL. It was imported from SAF around 18 months ago. The aircraft was flown by a PNG national who had been flying in Indonesian Papua for about the last 12 months. The copilot was a man I knew personally and had worked with in the not too distant past.

If if you can figure out from that, that I have some knowledge of what I speak, you will accept that the media have the aircraft type wrong.
RS,

Because of exactly the fact that you have ‘knowledge of what you speak’ I figured you would at least having a limited ability to read/understand BI. The article I linked to validated your point it was in fact a PAC 750 and not a PC- 6.

Pesawat Dimonim Air PK-HVQ, Tipe PAC 750XL

Bersantai!

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Originally Posted by StudentPilot479
...That said one does need to respect the weather. It is a factor in most accidents.
Exactly right. I almost came unstuck very close to this accident site, but on the PNG side of the border. Stuck in a valley flying in smaller and smaller circles as the weather got lower and lower all around me. Tiger country out that way. Very unforgiving in bad weather.
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Originally Posted by stormfury
The article I linked to validated your point it was in fact a PAC 750 and not a PC- 6.

Pesawat Dimonim Air PK-HVQ, Tipe PAC 750XL

Bersantai!
My apologies. In truth, I looked only at the text of the link as posted, did not click-through to the article. As you may be able to imagine, I have been a little swamped with info/images/calls etc of the last few days. Not everything I’m sent has had perhaps the attention it deserves. Yet. I apologise for acting on an erroneous assumption, rather than having read the article before responding.

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Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek
...the most probable cause will be weather related CFIT which is always a major hazard in the area.

Condolences to all concerned and may their memory be a blessing.
Quite.

The ROOT Cause, more closely related to (unconducted, incomplete or entirely inappropriate) training, lack thereof and pressure (not exactly the word I’m looking for) from Executive level within the company. If you’ve been here, you’ll understand what I mean.
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Originally Posted by RadioSaigon


My apologies. In truth, I looked only at the text of the link as posted, did not click-through to the article. As you may be able to imagine, I have been a little swamped with info/images/calls etc of the last few days. Not everything I’m sent has had perhaps the attention it deserves. Yet. I apologise for acting on an erroneous assumption, rather than having read the article before responding.

RS

No worries, hopefully you’re doing ok, losing those you know well and care for is never an easy thing.
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Quite.

The ROOT Cause, more closely related to (unconducted, incomplete or entirely inappropriate) training, lack thereof and pressure (not exactly the word I’m looking for) from Executive level within the company. If you’ve been here, you’ll understand what I mean.
Nail.....Head.
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