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Someone stole a Q400 from Seattle?

Old 11th Aug 2018, 08:07
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This is the end of the relaxed security we still have when flying domestic within the states... shoes and belts off from now on!
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 08:49
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Its a pity that people are commenting on how "cool" this looked and how great he was in doing those manouevres. Its not cool and he wasn't doing anything great.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 09:10
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That poor man and his family.

That radio call was tragic and to hear his last words was gut wrenching.

Please guys, treat this with the respect it deserves and have some empathy when speaking about this individual.

Yes it was dangerous but it was clear he intended to hurt no one and thank god he didn’t. Now his family have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of this poor man.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 09:15
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I have to say that every day that goes I get more interested in Human Performance and Limitations.
This time : Take away the ultimate filter and the envelope is expanded.

Unfortunately suicide is to a certain degree " contagious" so lets hope this does not give anyone any ideas!

As fare as stopping this in security, impossible as he was said to be a mechanic.
And he did not put any pilot to shame .
Any aircraft can be rolled and most of them looped. But a loop is mad in most transport cat aircraft.
To bad he did not get any help with his Demons.
A pitty with the aircraft.
Sad relay.
But could not be helped , as we live in a free society.
May his soul find rest!

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Old 11th Aug 2018, 09:30
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I am also asking myself - what will the impending repercussions on this incident be... more control, clamp down, TSA etc... ?
Glad nobody else got directly hurt by this stunt.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 09:39
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Does the aircraft insurance cover this theft ?
The estate after the perpetrator can for sure not cover this..
Where I come from simple theft (eg. cars) are not covered by insurance, but it's covered if tools have been used to steal the object (burglary), or if someone have been trying to stop the thief (robbery).
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 09:45
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Hats off to that ATC guy- trying to talk him and keep him engaged.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:09
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Here’s a Cessna type throttle lock. So your plane doesn’t get nicked while it’s parked. They can cost as little, and be as simple, as this one for $13.95: SKYLOCK - AIRCRAFT THROTTLE LOCK from Aircraft Spruce I would think that the fuel control switches might be an easy place to fit a “thing” over, preventing unauthorised or unintended use. Crew or Mx arrive, take it off, end of checklist. And judging by the $13.95 model, they wouldn’t have to cost $50,000 apiece.


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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:11
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Hats off to that ATC guy- trying to talk him and keep him engaged.
indeed!
Also on a practical point of view did he take off from the runway? I'm sure that he did not obtain clearance so might actually be a bit messy...
In any case he cleary knew something of flying and the Q400 to get as far as he did...
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:14
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bunk exceeder, the guy involved would have had a key to the throttle lock as he would have been authorised.

There's no 100% surefire way to stop this sort of incident occurring.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:30
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bunk exceeder, the guy involved would have had a key to the throttle lock as he would have been authorised.

There's no 100% surefire way to stop this sort of incident occurring.
Forgive my ignorance, but surely there was no flight plan filed and that specific aircraft was not due to depart, so at some point an unauthorised plane was taxiing around SEA and it wasn't noticed.

Surely had someone realised that plane wasn't supposed to be moving at that time then it could have been intercepted a lot earlier.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:42
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Originally Posted by edi_local View Post
Surely had someone realised that plane wasn't supposed to be moving at that time then it could have been intercepted a lot earlier.
Thus my question as of how he took of.
I guess with a lightly loaded Q400 he could have done it from the taxiway or even parking...
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:50
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Do not know that companies or the airports procedures but maybe they allow maintenance taxi authority to position aircraft to remote stands for overnight parking, maintenance etc, so could have seemed quite normal until the last minute.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 10:59
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The Alaska COO on TV said that Rich, who took the Q400, was a customer service agent. Not Mx. So as a CSA, would not have a key. As we leave them unlocked and they don’t need a key, perhaps a bit of tin over the “GO” switches might help prevent this again? Lots of planes spend the night at regional airports that are not pulled up to jetways.
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 11:00
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Its a pity that people are commenting on how "cool" this looked and how great he was in doing those manouevres. Its not cool and he wasn't doing anything great.
the barrel roll itself did look cool, regardless of situation which was everything but cool
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 11:05
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Thanks for the clarification bunk exceeder
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 11:11
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They’re saying “Ground Service Agent” to be precise,
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 11:16
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Distance: PDX-SEA - 112nm. Nothing closer to scramble?

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Old 11th Aug 2018, 11:27
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Not the first time this type of incident has happened.

Botswana in 1999 https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19991011-0
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Old 11th Aug 2018, 11:45
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Immensely sad really given the ATC recordings, and I for one appreciated Alaska/Horizon immediately paying condolences to the friends and family rather than trying to spin this somehow, a but of humanity from an airline.
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