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Ryanair pilot strike

Old 25th Jul 2018, 11:51
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"Temporary redundancy" in other words unpaid leave over the winter reserving the right to call you back when we need you --on our terms. They know winter is the soft season for recruitment and most guys would need 3 months to get a job and would probably choose to stay but loose the pay.. Let me guess.. if you've been on strike you run the risk of being a target! Perhaps the crews can shaft them by offering a "job share" spread the pain amongst the brethren and avoid the need for "reductions"
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 16:23
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Are the 100 Pilots the one's on strike or....Union needs to stand firm
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 17:06
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Oh my Lord. Staff will be transferred ''based on performance and attendance''. No safety issues there! Move along now! Nothing to be seen here
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 17:57
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I haven't seen this elsewhere: Ryanair cabin crew on strike today and tomorrow in Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 18:45
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Originally Posted by SliabhLuachra View Post
Oh my Lord. Staff will be transferred ''based on performance and attendance''. No safety issues there! Move along now! Nothing to be seen here
One wonders how bright LIG (Lorenzo In Green) really is ? He just waived a giant flag over his head; advertising how important Union protection and a Collective Bargaining Agreement really are for the pilots and cabin crew.

Ryanair strike has been all over the media in the U.S. -

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ers/832069002/


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Old 25th Jul 2018, 20:24
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I think the list of 13 bullet points in the El Pais article above sums it up. No social insurance,no company sick pay, not able to get mortgage. This is monumental and I am hoping there's a lot of head baging in Swords right now.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 21:54
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Originally Posted by 172_driver View Post
I think the list of 13 bullet points in the El Pais article above sums it up. No social insurance,no company sick pay, not able to get mortgage. This is monumental and I am hoping there's a lot of head baging in Swords right now.
Without wishing to defend RYR, the general issue that you can be employed in one country and as a result can't get a mortgage in another is something the EU probably ought to have a look at.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 22:17
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The pilots should call an end to the strikes and Ryanair should offer to negotiate in good faith over the coming months to seek a solution as I don't think anyone wins with the current strike situation

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Old 25th Jul 2018, 22:32
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Without wishing to defend RYR, the general issue that you can be employed in one country and as a result can't get a mortgage in another is something the EU probably ought to have a look at
I agree with that and I've had that conversation with my bank woman. I swiftly realized that was a sturdy piece of rock I wouldn't move myself.

Negan, when the Ryanair delegation make a 180 in the doorway and leave as they don't approve of the Union selected negotiators we're pretty far off negotiating "in good faith".
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Negan View Post
The pilots should call an end to the strikes and Ryanair should offer to negotiate in good faith over the coming months to seek a solution as I don't think anyone wins with the current strike situation​​​​​
Hi management dude. First of all, that's what Ryanair's been claiming to do for, well, months as it is. I'd suspect it would take a month or three to sort all the legalities out for contracts to be made locally, depending on where you were based. That time has long passed, and is clear testimony to the fact Ryanair's self-proclaimed acceptance of negotiating with unions were barefaced lies. They've been stalling for time, hoping for the winter season to cover the staff reductions. Short sighted as usual, but a move such as the one in Dublin does send a clear message and put the employees in conflict bases under a lot of pressure. He's testing their resolve or, in other words, it's all part of the great pissing contest.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 13:10
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Originally Posted by Negan View Post
The pilots should call an end to the strikes and Ryanair should offer to negotiate in good faith over the coming months to seek a solution as I don't think anyone wins with the current strike situation

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You know very very well that Ryanair never acts in good faith... Thankgod the rest of Europe is finally realising it to.

Customers and crew all stand behind this strike Ryanair!
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 15:19
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Is it time to help?!

Guys,
Just one question; why do pilots offer themselves to be trainers when they are getting slapped in the face by management?!!??
Is it not time to give up training and let them deal with it?
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 15:22
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Originally Posted by 172_driver View Post
Negan, when the Ryanair delegation make a 180 in the doorway and leave as they don't approve of the Union selected negotiators we're pretty far off negotiating "in good faith".
Hi 172_driver. As you appear to have information that the rest of us do not have could you answer the following questions please:

1. Was the current IALPA President Mr. Cullen of Aer Lingus one of the negotiators selected by the union?
2. Were any other Aer Lingus people included among the negotiators selected by the union?
3. If not, what other airlines had negotiators selected by the union?
4. What reason did Ryanair give for doing a 180. Who (no names) did they object to?

If you are unwilling to provide answers to these questions then your statement quoted above remains unsubstantiated and mere hearsay.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 15:42
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Ryanair should offer to negotiate in good faith
Not quite sure you can legitimately apply the predicate to the subject of this sentence .... but maybe that's the English grammar classes of my youth finally finding a purpose.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 15:43
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Negan

There is a few words for people like You!
All of them will get this post deleted.

So lets just say You are WRONG !
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:43
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Hi ayroplain,

I am not talking about Dublin but another country where the union is seeking collective bargaining agreement with Ryanair. They objected to the chairman of the union being present as he was not employed by Ryanair.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:56
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Originally Posted by ayroplain View Post
Hi 172_driver. As you appear to have information that the rest of us do not have could you answer the following questions please:

1. Was the current IALPA President Mr. Cullen of Aer Lingus one of the negotiators selected by the union?
2. Were any other Aer Lingus people included among the negotiators selected by the union?
3. If not, what other airlines had negotiators selected by the union?
4. What reason did Ryanair give for doing a 180. Who (no names) did they object to?

If you are unwilling to provide answers to these questions then your statement quoted above remains unsubstantiated and mere hearsay.
Answers to your questions below;

1. None of Ryanairs business,
2. Irrelevant,
3. Who they choose to negotiate is up to them, and
4. All of the above

Ryanair doesn’t get a say in who they negotiate with. If Ryanair pilots showed up with the tooth fairy, and the SWAPA negotiating committee, it’s still none of their business. Your list of questions, is really a list of excuses and fears. Niether of which bode well for the Ryanair ‘negotiators’.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 19:49
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Ryanair doesn’t get a say in who they negotiate with.
Thanks for your input JPJP but no need to get all excited and upset. Let me explain.

In the light of the claim that Ryanair didn't act "in good faith" by walking out of an intended meeting with the union I thought it was important to find out if they actually DID walk out and why before trying to reach any conclusions.

Let us assume for the moment that they did do a 180.
If, and I say IF they saw any Aer Lingus reps on the union's team when they arrived they would have every right to walk away given the long history between the two airlines and, in particular, with the IALPA President. It doesn't matter which side of the discussion you are on, it happened. If you don't know what that history is then you need to look it up. In this (Dublin) dispute it is a very relevant factor whether you agree or not.

Any Aer Lingus presence on the team would have to be considered a provocative (bad faith) move by the union.

On the other hand, if there was nobody on the team from Aer Lingus then that's a different ballgame altogether.

However, following 172_driver's reply it is now clear that the 180 he referred to didn't happen at Dublin.

172_driver, thanks for your reply. Apologies, I thought you were referring to the high profile dispute with pilots at the Dublin base.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 20:55
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Originally Posted by ayroplain View Post
Let us assume for the moment that they did do a 180.
If, and I say IF they saw any Aer Lingus reps on the union's team when they arrived they would have every right to walk away given the long history between the two airlines and, in particular, with the IALPA President. It doesn't matter which side of the discussion you are on, it happened. If you don't know what that history is then you need to look it up. In this (Dublin) dispute it is a very relevant factor whether you agree or not.

Any Aer Lingus presence on the team would have to be considered a provocative (bad faith) move by the union.

On the other hand, if there was nobody on the team from Aer Lingus then that's a different ballgame altogether.
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No.

You don’t seem to have any grasp of how negotiations for a EBA/CBA are carried out. There are established guidelines that define “bad faith”. Whom one chooses to negotiate, isn’t one of them. Your points above are irrelevant. They’re a transparent attempt to muddy the waters, delay, distract and reframe the discussion. Ryanair have no ability to dictate who the pilots choose as negotiators.

Are you implying that the Ryanair team would be so upset by the choice of negotiators that they would be unable to continue ? Overwhelmed and distracted, angered and unable to concentrate ? Spluttering spittle over their tight polyester and spandex suits, at the hint of facing a negotiating team that doesn’t please them. Interesting.




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Old 26th Jul 2018, 21:21
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Originally Posted by JPJP View Post
Your points above are irrelevant.
It is perfectly obvious that you have no clear understanding of the difficulties that beset this particular (Dublin) dispute, are incapable of carrying on a reasoned discussion and are just intent on ranting on with your obvious hatred of the airline blinding your mind. It's there for all to see.
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