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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:12
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Passengers in Cargo Hold?

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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:14
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10 across in 787 and 17 hour flights already... what's the difference???
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 07:37
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PSA sat pax in the lower deck lounge of their Tristars in 1973 - it was cleared for pax there and had a under belly fairing fitted aft of the nose wheel in case of NG collapse etc

had a handy forward lower deck air stair too (court Line had a rear air stair fitted in aft hold that swung out for door 3R egress)

PSA only took delivery of only 2 of 5 built with lower deck lounges and LTU took the others i think - don't think LTU sat pax down there but they did use the lower deck lounge for a while?
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er april fools but a day early here coz we are in UK and 12 hours behind lol

Durr almost fell for it LOL
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Originally Posted by rog747
PSA sat pax in the lower deck lounge of their Tristars in 1973 - it was cleared for pax there and had a under belly fairing fitted aft of the nose wheel in case of NG collapse etc

had a handy forward lower deck air stair too (court Line had a rear air stair fitted in aft hold that swung out for door 3R egress)

PSA only took delivery of only 2 of 5 built with lower deck lounges and LTU took the others i think - don't think LTU sat pax down there but they did use the lower deck lounge for a while?


AFAIK, all 5 of PSA'a TriStars had the lower lounge, including the three that subsequently went to LTU.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 08:02
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yes Dave correct all 5 were built with lower deck lounges and airstairs - nice advert!

some or all ended their days with Worldways canada

was one lost in the LTU hangar fire at DUS?
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Originally Posted by rog747
er april fools but a day early here coz we are in UK and 12 hours behind lol

Durr almost fell for it LOL

Its slill not April 1st in Oztralia - it's currently 19:00 there on the 31st....

just another attempt to drag teh world's attention away from the ball tampering affair IMHO
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 08:29
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Originally Posted by rog747
was one lost in the LTU hangar fire at DUS?
Yes, D-AERI (1114), originally for PSA as N10115 though they never actually took delivery.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 08:48
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Ta Dave and HH

who would have thought a huge wide body in those days was practically self handling at remote airports
LTU and Court Line's first orders AA+AB plus D-AERA had the rear airstair fitted and cargo handler bulk loading conveyor belts at all 3 hold doors

and the 5 PSA build a/c had the forward air stair fitted
(3 unsold new ones went to LTU, 1 lost in the DUS fire as Dave confirms)

I read that PSA could sell 18 seats in the lower deck lounge area
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 09:21
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BAC 1-11 Bus Stop Jet anyone?

Except BEA didn't want the integral front steps and so their fleet flew around with a lumps of concrete instead
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 09:35
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https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...27-p4z6l2.html

Putting this into context: Quantas is exploring it's options with ultra long-range flights. And: “The challenge for Airbus and Boeing is to do it with full passenger load and full freight load,” Mr Joyce said

So basically they're asking: is there something we can do with this space if we're unable to fill it with cargo. Not more pax, since that would be more weight, but the "do you have an area where people can walk? Do you have berths like on a train?" mentioned in the article doesn't sound that crazy. Maybe offer yoga classes to calm down the pax?
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Lufthansa in their first A340-600 configuration had moved economy lavatories, eco main galley and FA crew rest to the lower deck to install more seats in the main deck. It didn't really work out. Pax oxygen, waiting lines and more. They moved back some stuff upstairs.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 10:27
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I suppose you could argue that by spending the 20+ hours SYD-LHR in the belly, without any windows, you wouldn't have to worry about whether it was night or day at any given time.
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...good place for the F & J schmuks to hang out...
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...good place for the F & J schmuks to hang out...
..and why is that?
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Didn't BOAC put a Pub in the lower fwd hold of their first few B747s?
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This brings back a great memory. Around 1983 I was flying in a Qantas 747 from Sydney to Honolulu, at night, and while walking around got into conversation with a steward. Much to my surprise, he offered me to take a look below. I got into an elevator (sort of a dumb waiter) and went down, into a quite large galley storage area. There I was, SLF all alone in the cargo hold area of a 747 over the Pacific!
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Not as silly as it sounds. As alluded above, Qantas' early 747s were fitted with what was called a Lower Lobe Galley, complete with a lift from the main deck to the galley underneath.

For cabin crew rest on what were then long-range sectors (BKK/LHR, BKK/FRA and,I think, AKL/LAX and vv), B747-300 aircraft were fitted with a fully furnished and equipped container on the lower deck. Access was via a man-hole and ladder in one of the galleys. The container was fitted with quite a few bunks that allowed complete horizontal rest and maybe even dancing. It was acceptable to both the regulator and cabin crew unions.

With imaginative thinking anything is possible especially if freight is limited due to payload restrictions. Bear in mind that a pallet of freight could equal as much as 45 pax, depending on the notional weight of the pax and baggage.
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Originally Posted by czarnajama
This brings back a great memory. Around 1983 I was flying in a Qantas 747 from Sydney to Honolulu, at night, and while walking around got into conversation with a steward. Much to my surprise, he offered me to take a look below. I got into an elevator (sort of a dumb waiter) and went down, into a quite large galley storage area. There I was, SLF all alone in the cargo hold area of a 747 over the Pacific!
and they only let you out in 1999................
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 16:25
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Boeing did it first.

https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/7203hjpg

There were even pull down bunks
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