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BA Crewmember Arrested in SIN - #MeToo?

Old 23rd Mar 2018, 20:36
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BA Crewmember Arrested in SIN - #MeToo?

An unfortunate sign of the times?

BREAKING NEWS: British Airways crew member arrested on suspicion of raping an air stewardess while off duty after flight from London to Singapore

-BA crew member arrested on suspicion of raping air stewardess in Singapore

-BA employee remains in custody following sexual assault allegation by woman

-It is believed alleged incident took place while crew were off duty following flight from London

-Rape in Singapore can carry a maximum prison sentence of up to 10 years as well as 12 lashes of a cane
BA crew member arrested on suspicion of raping air stewardess | Daily Mail Online
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 16:07
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From The Straits Times:

SINGAPORE - British Airways is cooperating with police investigations into a case of outrage of modesty involving its cabin crew.

The police told The Straits Times on Saturday (March 24) that they were alerted to a case of outrage of modesty in Cuscaden Road at 8.31pm on March 18.

A 46-year-old man was arrested in relation to the case and police investigations are ongoing. ST understands that the female victim is 29 years old, and both of them are British employees with British Airways.
British Airways crew member arrested for outrage of modesty case in Singapore - The Straits Times
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 17:15
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So how is this a "sign of the times" ? Rape has been occurring forever. While I haven't jumped to any conclusions about anything, I don't see any details which seem not to add up, (as there is in the Alaska FO's lawsuit) Seems to me it was reported immediately to the police, and they're conducting an investigation. I'm not saying any of this automatically makes the allegations true, but I don't see any justification for attempting to dismiss it as "a sign of the times" or as a result of the #metoo campaign, as your thread title seems to be suggesting.
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So how is this a "sign of the times" ? Rape has been occurring forever. While I haven't jumped to any conclusions about anything, I don't see any details which seem not to add up, (as there is in the Alaska FO's lawsuit) Seems to me it was reported immediately to the police, and they're conducting an investigation. I'm not saying any of this automatically makes the allegations true, but I don't see any justification for attempting to dismiss it as "a sign of the times" or as a result of the #metoo campaign, as your thread title seems to be suggesting.
Damned if you do report things to the police.

Damned if you don't report things to the police.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 21:48
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Why on earth was #MeToo included in the title?

Do some Ppruners feel that every rape allegation is an act of female malice?

Do some Ppruners feel that sexual assault is just standard rough-and-tumble between the sexes, and therefore women are currently taking the p*ss?
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Ethiopian jailed for molesting hotel worker, Courts & Crime News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

The above link gives an idea of how Singapore deals with cases like this. Foreigners get no special treatment. If found guilty he'd better start preparing for a few years in a relatively harsh prison system.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 04:40
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and therefore women are currently taking the p*ss?
Among the high flying starlets from Hollywood whose profession is 'make believe'? Yes, quite probably. The casting couch has been there, rightly or wrongly, for over one hundred years, why should it suddenly hit the headlines now?
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Do some Ppruners feel that every rape allegation is an act of female malice?
Because they are the sky gods, unhappy with technology and unable to keep up with modern life. The 21st century has bypassed them.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 09:22
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Among the high flying starlets from Hollywood whose profession is 'make believe'? Yes, quite probably. The casting couch has been there, rightly or wrongly, for over one hundred years, why should it suddenly hit the headlines now?
I'm flabbergasted. Maybe because now we have better communication thanks to the digital age, women's voices can be heard and who is interested in a voice from the hoi polloi? Maybe because it's all a conspiracy to detract from the horrors of the wars elsewhere in the world or the drug epidemic. Does it matter why?

Maybe it's time to stop it. Nothing changes without dialogue. Rape is serious. Let's not detract from that in this thread.

Rapists come from all walks of life and there may be a few who just happen to be pilots as well. Don't be afraid to open the conversation. Have the dialogue. Support the victims, persecute the perpetrators.

(I am not saying this pilot is guilty as I do not know the facts but there appears to be a problem in the industry if rapes are being reported - if no rapes are occurring there is a problem somewhere - why are these people reporting them)

I wonder what the PPRuner's responses would be if it was a male reporting being raped by a female captain. Whose side would they come down on?
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Have I missed something, where does it say that a pilot was involved?
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 10:28
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
The casting couch has been there, rightly or wrongly, for over one hundred years, why should it suddenly hit the headlines now?
There are many things that were quietly accepted until they weren't. That is called progress. People can play a game no matter how unfair it is but if an opportunity arises to draw attention and change the rules then why wouldn't they.
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Have I missed something, where does it say that a pilot was involved?
It doesn't, in fact the DM article makes it clear that both individuals were Mixed Fleet i.e. cabin crew.
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Have I missed something, where does it say that a pilot was involved?
well said!
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No it doesn't. It says 'believed to be'.
True, but that does not support the claim that it was definately a pilot. All indications we have before us, however tentative they may be, indicate that it was *not* a pilot.
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Originally Posted by PaxBritannica View Post
Why on earth was #MeToo included in the title?
Since we can't be 20 years old again, we have to simply act like it once in a while. I guess.
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Yes, it is an unfortunate sign of the times that some people still think sexual assault is OK, and commit it. Luckily, most countries have laws and processes in place to disabuse them of this notion.
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Be thankful that a timely investigation is possible and the (alleged?) victim can get the support she needs
The Singaporeans have a fair conviction rate...
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Be thankful that a timely investigation is possible and the (alleged?) victim can get the support she needs
Here's a case from two decades ago where BA apparently gave their full support to the accused as well:

A British Airways purser was charged with raping a stewardess after a lengthy drinking session in which they consumed champagne suspected of being stolen from their aircraft, a tribunal was told yesterday.

Yesterday Mr Henry, 49, of West Chiltington, West Sussex, claimed he had been unfairly dismissed by BA after the rape charges against him were dropped in January last year. He had worked for British Airways for 32 years before the incident at the McLean Hilton Hotel, Washington, in April 1998.

Julian Henry was arrested but the rape charges were later dropped and in January 1999 he was given a six-month suspended jail sentence and a $1,000 fine after pleading "no contest" to a charge of assault and battery.

The company is introducing compulsory drink and drug tests and has suspended 14 staff after one pilot was found to have reported for work having allegedly drunk the equivalent of 10 pints of beer and having had just three hours' sleep.

Caroline Gregory, BA general manager of personnel services, told the tribunal the airline had given full support to Mr Henry when he was arrested, and had also arranged a loan to cover his legal costs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...im-634492.html
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I wonder what the PPRuner's responses would be if it was a male reporting being raped by a female captain. Whose side would they come down on?
That's an easy one.

1. If the perpetrator was attractive, did not cause physical injury, did not have transmissible diseases, and did not become pregnant and seek child-support payments as a result of the episode, they would say that the victim was lucky and should stop complaining.

2. If any of the foregoing conditions did not apply, they would say that the victim was (i) a wimp for not fighting the assailant off; (ii) foolish to get himself into that situation in the first place; or (iii) both.

3. If the perpetrator was male, they would default directly to no. 2 above.
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