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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 12:38
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Sussex Police statement this morning:-

A spokesman for Sussex Police said: “At about 8.25pm on Thursday (18 January), police received a report of a member of airline staff suspected to have been under the influence at Gatwick Airport. A 49-year-old man from Harmondsworth, West Drayton, Hillingdon, was arrested on suspicion of performing an aviation function when the level of alcohol was over the prescribed limit. He was taken into police custody and has now been released under investigation.”
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 17:13
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Allegedly during the walk round the P3 drew attention to a possible defect and the engineer concerned noticed a suspicious smell on the breath of the pilot, the engineer communicated their concerns through supervision and Operations and Maintrol were informed, the Police and GAL Ops were called to the aircraft, There was no CC involvement.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 18:56
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Originally Posted by bluesideoops View Post
Interesting that many of the comments on here are based on 'war stories', anecdotal evidence and/or emotionally motivated opinion yet few raise points about the following: what do the SOPs/Ops Manual/Company manual state?
Doesn't matter. You see a crime, you tell the police. The weird concept of "using internal procedures instead" is what enabled the Catholic church to cover up paedophile priests for decades, giving rise to who knows how many more victims.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 19:34
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Allegedly during the walk round the P3 drew attention to a possible defect and the engineer concerned noticed a suspicious smell on the breath of the pilot, the engineer communicated their concerns through supervision and Operations and Maintrol were informed, the Police and GAL Ops were called to the aircraft, There was no CC involvement.
Do you have a reliable source for this?
As in a link you can share?
Or is this hearsay?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Doesn't matter. You see a crime, you tell the police. The weird concept of "using internal procedures instead" is what enabled the Catholic church to cover up paedophile priests for decades, giving rise to who knows how many more victims.
Silly argument. If you see a colleague under the influence, your first step is to have "a chat". It's not up to you if a "crime" has been committed.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 20:02
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Well in fairness, there has never, ever, in the the history of scheduled airline transport, been a victim of a drunk pilot. No one has died, no one has been hurt, a few people have been delayed, usually as the result of someone with a personal agenda.

The world (or at least the flying one), may be safer than you think, we work really hard to keep it that way.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Basil View Post
And, interestingly, the legal blood alcohol limit for a licensed aircraft maintenance engineer is the same as for a road vehicle driver in England and Wales, that is, four times that permitted for crew.
Is that a BA or CAA limit Basil? The GAL limit for operation of flight deck systems is the same as a pilot. This group obviously includes LAMEs as well as and pilots.

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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 21:15
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Excellent post Basil, but if you work at LGW you are under GAL rules, as I posted earlier.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 21:36
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Big difference though. One is being a naughty boy in GALs eyes the other is an offence as laid down by act of parliament. There are BA rules that may have been infringed.
What does the Police statement “ released pending investigation “ mean?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 21:55
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Originally Posted by sudden twang View Post
What does the Police statement released pending investigation mean?
"Released under investigation", as it is normally referred to, means that the police have interviewed you under caution and then released you into indefinite limbo (possibly with some conditions as to who you can contact, etc) while they investigate the alleged offence at their own pace and eventually decide whether to charge you or take no further action.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 21:55
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Originally Posted by sudden twang View Post
Big difference though. One is being a naughty boy in GALs eyes the other is an offence as laid down by act of parliament. There are BA rules that may have been infringed.
What does the Police statement “ released pending investigation “ mean?
With regard to BA EG303 might apply. Regarding the Police statement your guess is as good as mine.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 22:08
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Well, the guy either blew over the limit or he didn't.
Mitigating circumstances for being over the limit are usually dealt with in court, though might be 'under discussion' before charges are brought.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 23:12
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
"Released under investigation", as it is normally referred to, means that the police have interviewed you under caution and then released you into indefinite limbo (possibly with some conditions as to who you can contact, etc) while they investigate the alleged offence at their own pace and eventually decide whether to charge you or take no further action.
Quite - which suggests that to me at least, that all is not what it seems. If he was 'banged to rights' as the expression goes, he would have appeared in court this morning charged with an offence, as a certain Mr Rooney did recently under similar circumstances
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 08:40
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A Pakistani pilot has been jailed for nine months in Britain for being drunk before he was due to fly a plane with 156 people on board.

https://news.sky.com/story/drunk-pia...itain-10427045
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 09:41
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Can I ask please Gentlemen & Ladies, of all who have posted comments regarding this particular thread, `how many of you are actively employed as Commercial Aircrew`?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 09:49
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Well, the guy either blew over the limit or he didn't.
I don't think the breathalyser results can be used in evidence at the lower aviation limit; a blood and/or urine sample will be taken and that is what will be used in Court, if it comes to that.

I suspect the police are waiting for the results of that test before deciding what course of action to take.

Follow this link to obtain a document detailing the procedure followed by the police in cases such as this. It's from a different police authority, but I'd expect all forces will have a similar procedure.

This is a document I'd suggest anyone carrying out an 'aviation-related function' should study; it makes for sobering reading.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 09:57
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Originally Posted by kaikohe76 View Post
Can I ask please Gentlemen & Ladies, of all who have posted comments regarding this particular thread, `how many of you are actively employed as Commercial Aircrew`?

What pray does that have to do with the subject under discussion?

How does being "actively employed as Commercial Aircrew" make any difference to views and opinions on a possible (and I stress possible) case of being over the limit when in charge of an aircraft??
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 11:37
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Are people seriously saying that because he wasn’t P1/P2 for departure it’s not serious!? What about an incapacitation of either operating crew during climb out? What’s he going to say....sorry need another couple of hours to straighten up. Get real.

The facts will out eventually and if the said individual was over the limit I hope he gets the help he needs.....but he may well end up inside for a spell first.....and I suspect his career is finished. It’s sad whether it was a brazen/brainless/stress induced consumption of alcohol....as professionals we know the rules and if, for whatever reason, we are unable to maintain the discipline required we should seek help as early as possible.

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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 11:50
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At outstations, my (Middle East Airline) rules are that we are on duty only 1:00 prior to departure. However, buried away in the OMA is a company requirement 'not to be under the influence of drug/alcohol at any time while in uniform.

Some of our outstation hotels are quite a way from the airport and it is not uncommon to get a wake up call 3:30 prior to dep for transport 2:30 prior to dep.

It wasn't very long ago that one of our crew was (allegedly) 'met' getting out of the hotel elevator prior to checking out (2:45 prior to dep), blew over the limit and lost their job. Not sure about the licence as, technically, not on duty.

Be careful out there.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 12:02
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You can buy an electronic tester at halfords for 150 quid which is cheap insurance for either driving or going to work. They have a digital readout and in my view provide cheap insurance to those odd occasions when you may have a drink. Cant totally rely on these but certainly if it says your over, don't drive or report
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