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Old 20th Jan 2018, 05:50
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FO removed from BA Flight

Newspaper reports this morning of a BA FO getting removed from a flight by police as some of the cabin crew had called 999 stating that they thought he was drunk.

'Drunk' British Airways pilot hauled from Gatwick flight | Daily Mail Online
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 07:49
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Because the Captain covered his buddy and the lead FA ratted.
Nice Crew synergy.
If I were BA I’d have both replaced on that flight and investigated.
As of the time of the article the FO is still in lockup which means he blew over the limit.
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bye bye license
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surely all the crew FD and CC should have been stood down and a new standby crew used

hardly the right synergy for a long haul overnight operation - ah but it was MRU so maybe a few days on the beach was attractive?
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Originally Posted by ZeroFuelMass View Post
bye bye license
Sad to see someone lose it but if you aren't responsible enough to show up sober, you shouldn't have one issued.
I have a gut feeling the BA roster isn't issued on a daily basis and this person knew he was rostered to fly or be on standby.
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There are not the crew numbers to remove them from the service!
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"Because the Captain covered his buddy and the lead FA ratted.
Nice Crew synergy."

you seem to be suggesting the Captain was right and the lead FA was wrong ?
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 09:43
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This drunk pilot scenario happens all too frequently in my opinion, another one in yesterday's news:

Dubai flight delayed as pilot was drunk

DECCAN CHRONICLE. | GURURAJ A PANIYADI

Published Jan 19, 2018, 5:26 am ISTUpdated Jan 19, 2018, 5:26 am IST

Mangaluru: The first officer scheduled to fly the Mangaluru- Dubai flight of a private airlines was denied permission after he tested positive for alcohol. The flight, carrying 180 passengers ,was scheduled to leave Mangaluru International Airport at 12.15 am on Wednesday. However, it could leave only at 5 am.

As per rules, a pilot has to undergo strict medical checkup. If the pilot is found positive of alcohol then he is not allowed to fly the plane and the airline makes alternate arrangements. Turkey based Corendon Airlines First Officer Sebahat Ulku Erk was scheduled to operate the SpiceJet flight SG-059 (wet lease aircraft) from M’luru International Airport to Dubai. “The first officer failed to meet the stringent SpiceJet safety standards and tested positive during pre-flight medical check for alcohol," SpiceJet officials said. "He was not permitted to operate the flight. He has been suspended and sent back to his country," they added.

According to sources after Sebahat was denied permission to operate the flight, the airlines had to schedule another pilot. The alternate pilot arrived, the flight could not takeoff from the airport due to NOTAM (during which no flight can land or take off). NOTAM was in force from 12.15 am to 4.14 am and so was rescheduled.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nati...was-drunk.html

Under Indian DCGA rules if you show up drunk for work as a pilot your license is suspended for 90 days.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 09:49
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
Because the Captain covered his buddy and the lead FA ratted.
Nice Crew synergy.
If I were BA I’d have both replaced on that flight and investigated.
As of the time of the article the FO is still in lockup which means he blew over the limit.
Accusation supported by? Possibly he hadn’t come in as close contact as he was the relief pilot, but leveling an accusation is warrantless unless you know this to be a fact
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Because the Captain covered his buddy and the lead FA ratted.
Nice Crew synergy."

you seem to be suggesting the Captain was right and the lead FA was wrong ???
Don´t know wether he suggested this or not, you seem to suggest that the suggestion "the captain covered his buddy" is a given. Do you KNOW that ?
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Best to wait and see what the real facts are. Remember the Virgin Pilot on a strict Atkins diet that was breathalyzed because he was suffering from a side effect of it and smelt of alcohol?
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Quote from The BA Source

British Airways Boeing 777-236ER G-YMMD operated yesterday’s weather delayed BA2069/BA2068 London Gatwick – Mauritius rotation this afternoon.
Love it!
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 11:18
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BBC version of events.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 11:20
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Originally Posted by Bigpants View Post
Best to wait and see what the real facts are. Remember the Virgin Pilot on a strict Atkins diet that was breathalyzed because he was suffering from a side effect of it and smelt of alcohol?
indeed true, the ketones emitted by the breath can fool one, we see that also when some of our guys are fasting during Ramadan
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You are suggesting pilots fly while indulging in odd blood sugar practices?
I doubt it!
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 11:44
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Let's not forget that the FO would have been arrested on suspicion of performing an aviation function at a time when the proportion of alcohol in his breath, blood or urine exceeds the prescribed limit.

Unless he's failed to provide a specimen, he's most likely gone to blood/urine analysis which will take a week or so to get the results.

As we have no idea at the moment if he was over the prescribed limit or not, let's not cast any aspersions until the results are back and let's see if he's charged or not.
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As Flann O'Brian said, a pint of plain is your only man. It would be interesting to see his blood alcohol level. It may have been a medical condition. Let us not jump to judgement.
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
Because the Captain covered his buddy and the lead FA ratted.
Nice Crew synergy.
If I were BA I’d have both replaced on that flight and investigated.
As of the time of the article the FO is still in lockup which means he blew over the limit.
Outrageous accusation. Do you have any evidence?
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Originally Posted by sharksandwich View Post
You are suggesting pilots fly while indulging in odd blood sugar practices?
I doubt it!
the Adkins, or any other very low carb diets cause ketones to be emitted through the urine and breath as well...try looking it up before "you doubt it"

https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/fe...e-bad-breath#1

there, looked it up for you
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by sharksandwich View Post
You are suggesting pilots fly while indulging in odd blood sugar practices?
I doubt it!
Fasting and flying is very common in the Middle East.
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