What do you think of this kind of Pilot?
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Dear Sirs-
I'm a private pilot. I've found PC based sims to be useful for IFR procedures training. When I have an hour to myself and the weather is bad, I may fly a few holding patterns or the like on a sim, just to practice the mental aspects of flying.
But to think a PC sim is a substitute for time in a real plane? Absolutely not- no way.
And as for anyone who spends 8-12 hours flying a computer game? He needs a girlfriend...
I'm a private pilot. I've found PC based sims to be useful for IFR procedures training. When I have an hour to myself and the weather is bad, I may fly a few holding patterns or the like on a sim, just to practice the mental aspects of flying.
But to think a PC sim is a substitute for time in a real plane? Absolutely not- no way.
And as for anyone who spends 8-12 hours flying a computer game? He needs a girlfriend...
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I always felt that I could excuse my crashing FS98 because, hey, I'm not a pilot in real life. Good fun though.
Imagine my joy on having a go on a game called "Tower", (great looking ATC tower simulator). Now this I should be good at since I'm paid to do it full time....
About four minutes later I had the first of many, many major incidents. You wouldn't believe how dangerous I was.....some days later I finally gave up and haven't played it since. Read into this what you will.
Imagine my joy on having a go on a game called "Tower", (great looking ATC tower simulator). Now this I should be good at since I'm paid to do it full time....
About four minutes later I had the first of many, many major incidents. You wouldn't believe how dangerous I was.....some days later I finally gave up and haven't played it since. Read into this what you will.
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FS98 or 2000 matters not. They DEFINATELY DO NOT fly like the real thing.
A "true to life" Aircraft Simulator is totally different.
At any time you have had enough (during a MSFS session) or the weather gets TOO bad you can slip on the pause button, go get another cup of cofee or even turn it off and go to bed - not so the real thing!
With the sim there is never a time that your life and those of others on board may be threatened and dependent on You making the correct decision!
Certainly many who use MSFS have shown great aptitude when given the chance to fly the real thing solely by reference to instruments but are yet to learn the art of decision making
A "true to life" Aircraft Simulator is totally different.
At any time you have had enough (during a MSFS session) or the weather gets TOO bad you can slip on the pause button, go get another cup of cofee or even turn it off and go to bed - not so the real thing!
With the sim there is never a time that your life and those of others on board may be threatened and dependent on You making the correct decision!
Certainly many who use MSFS have shown great aptitude when given the chance to fly the real thing solely by reference to instruments but are yet to learn the art of decision making
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This phenomenon is all too familiar to me. Ordinary people are constantly encouraged to have delusions of disproportionate skill and ability, especially in clappy-happy-shiny-
chummy Blair's Britain.
Allied with Bill Gates Aviation's sales hyperbolae - "as real as it gets" - this syndrome is unfortunately responsible for a lot of shattered dreams amongst the clueless masses who should really set their sights lower in life.
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chummy Blair's Britain.
Allied with Bill Gates Aviation's sales hyperbolae - "as real as it gets" - this syndrome is unfortunately responsible for a lot of shattered dreams amongst the clueless masses who should really set their sights lower in life.
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Well a 12-hours-a-day flight sim addict may indeed be a big fat loser ... but when it comes to people who have completely lost their grip on reality it's hard to go past plane-spotters. Any time you feel like a laugh at those less fortunate than yourself, a trip to the LHR observation platform is well worth it. A big bunch of 40 or 50 middle aged men, sitting up there in all sorts of weather with their binoculars, logbooks and scanners, diligently writing down the rego of every aircraft that taxis past. Funny part is they're all there for the duration, half of them have even brought deckchairs and picnic baskets for chrissake!! I never knew people like that existed. They all have that sloping-forehead missing link appearance about them, you get the overwhelming feeling that they still wet the bed at age 55. What a complete waste of good oxygen ...
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Probably a good tool, I could never land the thing. The real problem with it is that it cannot give you a clearance to copy 500' above DA when your getting knocked all over the place and cannot land because the runway is blocked.
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Mr SkyToddler-- And what exquisite pastimes do you enjoy? Does the Reich still offer rectal examinations? You might benefit from one. 
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A jumpseat ride on one of your L1011's Guv?!? 
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Honestly, what a load of old tosh. I've watched this thread develop over the last few days, but now my patience has gone. The simple truth is that flying a real airliner can't be any more difficult than an accurately flown detail in FS2000. Pilots just don't want to admit this unpalatable truth, because they are protective of their positions as a perceived elite. Also, if everyone knew how simple the job really is, they wouldn't be able to justify their overinflated salaries. Yes, and it's not fair that aircraft spotters are vilified for pursuing an honest, enjoyable and interesting hobby that hurts no-one. Just the other day I was practically thrown from a hangar mid-spot, as it were, by an aircraft owner worried that I might lay a finger on his precious aeroplane. I wasn't exactly sneaking around- the hangar door had been left ajar, AND I was wearing a hi-vis jacket...but pilots are too egotistical and arrogant to respect the rights of the spotter. Well if no-one photographed their aeroplanes and watched them as they took off and landed...well, they'd complain about that too.
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Honestly, what a load of old tosh. I've watched this thread develop over the last few days, but now my patience has gone. The simple truth is that flying a real airliner can't be any more difficult than an accurately flown detail in FS2000. Pilots just don't want to admit this unpalatable truth, because they are protective of their positions as a perceived elite. Also, if everyone knew how simple the job really is, they wouldn't be able to justify their overinflated salaries. Yes, and it's not fair that aircraft spotters are vilified for pursuing an honest, enjoyable and interesting hobby that hurts no-one. Just the other day I was practically thrown from a hangar mid-spot, as it were, by an aircraft owner worried that I might lay a finger on his precious aeroplane. I wasn't exactly sneaking around- the hangar door had been left ajar, AND I was wearing a hi-vis jacket...but pilots are too egotistical and arrogant to respect the rights of the spotter. Well if no-one photographed their aeroplanes and watched them as they took off and landed...well, they'd complain about that too.
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Hello Waldo!
Poling an aircraft around the sky is easy when you know how. Just as playing a simulator game is easy when you know how.
What your software won't teach you is the follwing short list of absolutely irrelavent skills:
A Cabin Manager who has a dodgy boyfriend.
A late Cabin Crew member.
A Finger with no finger driver.
A GPU which wont deliver the goods.
An APU that wont start.
A Slot.
A congested delivery/ground/tower freq.
An FO with halitosis.
An FE with an attitude problem.
Spelling.
I could go on and fill about three sheets of foolscap, as it's called, but I think you get the point; or do you; will you ever?
Let reggie spotters, game players etc do their own thing but don't ever get the idea you can be a Pilot just by playing on your PC!
Poling an aircraft around the sky is easy when you know how. Just as playing a simulator game is easy when you know how.
What your software won't teach you is the follwing short list of absolutely irrelavent skills:
A Cabin Manager who has a dodgy boyfriend.
A late Cabin Crew member.
A Finger with no finger driver.
A GPU which wont deliver the goods.
An APU that wont start.
A Slot.
A congested delivery/ground/tower freq.
An FO with halitosis.
An FE with an attitude problem.
Spelling.
I could go on and fill about three sheets of foolscap, as it's called, but I think you get the point; or do you; will you ever?
Let reggie spotters, game players etc do their own thing but don't ever get the idea you can be a Pilot just by playing on your PC!
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A pilot once told me that the job was 99% sheer boredom and 1% sheer terror. When people criticise pilots they often don't see the 1%. I have been there and seen it on a flight into EDI with gale force gusting winds - 2 attempts to get in and a plane load of vomiting and terrified passengers!! There is no way on earth I would have wanted to have been in charge of that ship and I have the greatest respect for the guys that do it for real.
However, as someone who has flown FS2000 once or twice, I had a go on the BA simulator at Farnborough last week. When we'd finished I asked the First Officer who had guided me through how close the simulator was to the real thing and he said "very". I have to say that it did not feel too dissimilar to FS2000.
However, as someone who has flown FS2000 once or twice, I had a go on the BA simulator at Farnborough last week. When we'd finished I asked the First Officer who had guided me through how close the simulator was to the real thing and he said "very". I have to say that it did not feel too dissimilar to FS2000.
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Dear Sirs-
Yes, but are there "simulator" plane-spotters?
Start up the computer, pull up the deck chair, and sit and watch the screen for 8 hours, writing down the numbers of the planes that the computer puts on the screen...?
I can see it now...
Yes, but are there "simulator" plane-spotters?
Start up the computer, pull up the deck chair, and sit and watch the screen for 8 hours, writing down the numbers of the planes that the computer puts on the screen...?
I can see it now...