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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:19
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Ryanair B738 loses nosewheel

Media reporting that a RYR B738 shed a nosewheel on departure from Stansted enroute to Copenhagen this morning, landed safely at East Midlands.

AAIB have despatched an investigation team.

Ryanair plane makes emergency landing at East Midlands Airport after losing nose wheel - Nottingham Post
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Seems strange diverting to EMA, unless that was the closest spare aircraft....
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The crew seemed quite surprised when London told them that RYR ops had been on the phone and asked them to divert to Prestwick, or failing that East Midlands......
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The crew seemed quite surprised when London told them that RYR ops had been on the phone and asked them to divert to Prestwick, or failing that East Midlands......
... or anywhere which isn't going to potentially close the only runway at your main base.
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How does that kind of thing happen? Surely the maintenance guys check that all is as it should be?
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Airliners rarely lose wheels, but when they do it's often a result of corrosion (sometimes the whole axle departs).

That's not really the kind of thing you can check for on every turnround.
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The crew seemed quite surprised when London told them that RYR ops had been on the phone

Curious to know how they found out. Was there a problem on retraction: did ATC tell them as their Dunlop went AWOL across the carpark? (I once saw a video of a main wheel doing cartwheels down LGW's runway. It had a huge amount of distractive energy in it). Why were pax kept on board for 1.15mins? Surely lighten the plane ASAP to help move it PDQ. Must be a bus problem. Was the nose wheel damaged so that a tow bar could not be fitted, or does EMA have barless tugs? But even then damage could prevent it locking on. Closing EMA for 75mins would jot be popular, but as has been surmised spare a/c & perhaps crew might have been there not PIK. And how did they take the a/c of the runway, ands was it unable to taxi off, vacate & then stop?
Curious to learn as this is not very common. Braking technique and roll out distance would also be a learning process. I would assume as gentle as possible and full length. From memory EMA does not have HST's anyway.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Airliners rarely lose wheels, but when they do it's often a result of corrosion (sometimes the whole axle departs).

That's not really the kind of thing you can check for on every turnround.
Corrosion is one possible factor certainly. As is incorrect fitment by engineers.

B-Cal 1-11 ex MAN did the same, a/c headed to LGW, wheel headed to the River Bollin. Wheel changed on night stop.
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I would have thought that axle tube corrosion on an a/c of that age was fairly unlikely.
But as an LAE myself , do rather feel for the maint. guys in a situation like this , as everyone and his mother in law is trying to second-guess their actions , and I don't think that I would like to do a nightshift on R/A's aeroplanes , either at STN or anywhere else. I have my theories on the matter which for the moment will remain theories.
As far as knowing about the wheels departure . A slight pull to the left probably , accompanied by a TPIS warning ?
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Yes, wait for the AAIB investigation. Corrosion, material failure, maintenance error? All possibilities. Not hard on a dark rainy night to forget a step or miss something (I got absolutely soaked last night on my night stop) and the paper print out tends to turn into mash!
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Originally Posted by Alber Ratman
Yes, wait for the AAIB investigation. Corrosion, material failure, maintenance error? All possibilities. Not hard on a dark rainy night to forget a step or miss something (I got absolutely soaked last night on my night stop) and the paper print out tends to turn into mash!
Indeed, and as a former engineer I am most certainly not pointing the proverbial finger at engineering as the cause. I only offered the B-Cal example by way of contrast to Dave Reids post. And I was only too familiar being a Line engineer, with the conditions you met last night.
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Originally Posted by Chris Martyr
I would have thought that axle tube corrosion on an a/c of that age was fairly unlikely.
A/c is 11 years old, I wouldn't be so quick to rule out corrosion, either on its own or in combination with a fatigue crack.
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Originally Posted by RAT 5
(I once saw a video of a main wheel doing cartwheels down LGW's runway. It had a huge amount of distractive energy in it).
If you concentrate you should not get too distracted by it
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Dave , I haven't ruled out corrosion or a fatigue crack. You're right , both are totally plausible.
I'm just looking at it from a 'probability' point of view. I don't want to start speculating just yet , as a mark of respect for the maint. guys.
But I'm sure you probably know what I'm thinking.......and I really do hope that it isn't that .
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Aircraft maybe 11 years old, doubt that the gear is that old. According to Boeing gear is swapped out approx every 10 years or 18000 cycles so would be a good bet that it's fairly new. Once had a main gear torque link shear off on a fairly new gear, turned out to be an error in the heat treatment process from manufacture.
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Plane forced to make emergency landing at East Midlands Airport causes havoc for motorists on M1 - Burton Mail

Over reaction by Leicestershire police yet again in stopping traffic on the M1.
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Originally Posted by Double Hydco
The crew seemed quite surprised when London told them that RYR ops had been on the phone and asked them to divert to Prestwick, or failing that East Midlands......
Unbelievable that they don't use ACARS in 2017 yet.
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Originally Posted by Council Van
Plane forced to make emergency landing at East Midlands Airport causes havoc for motorists on M1 - Burton Mail

Over reaction by Leicestershire police yet again in stopping traffic on the M1.
Having shed one wheel, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it could lose the other, maybe even on final approach.

Have you ever had a nosewheel land on your car? I'm told it can ruin your entire day.
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Krystal n chips.

If the BCAL 1-11 event was about 1981 or 82 I was at there at Gatwick and saw it land.
It was a main wheel that came off on take off from MAN.
The other wheel on that leg had been changed the previous evening at Gatwick and the guy that changed it had already been Hung, Drawn and Quatered before the aircraft arrived at Gatwick. When it did a flypast he pointed out that the wheel he fitted was still there.
It turned out that the wheel that came off had an incorrect bearing fitted and had done 30 or 40 landings before departing the axle.
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All for the want of a split pin?
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