Anyone missing a gun?
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Anyone missing a gun?
A Delta Airlines Boeing 767-300, registration N394DL performing flight DL-221 from Manchester,EN (UK) to New York JFK,NY (USA), was enroute over the Atlantic Ocean when a passenger went to a lavatory and found a loaded gun. The passenger handed the gun to cabin crew, who in turn returned the weapon to the owner, a female US Air Marshal, who had forgotten the weapon in the lavatory. The aircraft continued to New York for a safe landing without further incident.
What if the next person in the toilet was a child who picked up the gun out of curiosity and pulled the trigger?
Dead child? Bullet hole in fuselage? Decompression?
That Sky Marshall was incompetent and should be dismissed.
Dead child? Bullet hole in fuselage? Decompression?
That Sky Marshall was incompetent and should be dismissed.
Many bad scenarios could have played out. The passenger that discovered the gun may have been suicidal and,presented with the 'golden opportunity',may have used it.
Where do they get these idiots from ?
Where do they get these idiots from ?
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I just wonder how many of you never ever have made a mistake ?
Really stupid one, which could have had consequences ? I made several in my life - and I´m grateful that some have not led to a superior - or worse a peer - firing my ar§e.
Really stupid one, which could have had consequences ? I made several in my life - and I´m grateful that some have not led to a superior - or worse a peer - firing my ar§e.
I agree with you in some circumstances but in this case it is a very basic no-no. You are a US Marshall on an American registered aircraft and your job is to be incognito in case someone wants to hijack this aircraft and your main tool for work is your gun.
How can you forget your main tool for work, a deadly one at that in the lavatory?
If the story is true and the gun was returned to her while in flight, she is no longer incognito and since this is now a public story I'm afraid she will be fired and perhaps rightly so.
How can you forget your main tool for work, a deadly one at that in the lavatory?
If the story is true and the gun was returned to her while in flight, she is no longer incognito and since this is now a public story I'm afraid she will be fired and perhaps rightly so.
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Ok, the girl was in a hurry in the lavatory, maybe a gun is an embarrasing object to be "anchored" to the body in all moments of life (a lavatory excursion is another moment in life).
But...
Where was her brain at the moment of LEAVING the lav?
Didn't she take a LOOK around?
And last -but not least- are there many places to plant a GUN in a lavatory to think it could be left UNSEEN at the moment of openig the door and leaving?
But...
Where was her brain at the moment of LEAVING the lav?
Didn't she take a LOOK around?
And last -but not least- are there many places to plant a GUN in a lavatory to think it could be left UNSEEN at the moment of openig the door and leaving?
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in case someone wants to hijack this aircraft and your main tool for work is your gun.
That's an interesting difference between the yanks and other parts of the world. Others might try other tactics first and use guns as last resort. What about tasers? Might they be more suitable as a first response? Firing shots in a crowded public place is not the first response on there ground; I hope. I wonder if this Sky Marshals thing has been really thought through in depth. Indeed, what feedback has their been from Sky Marshals about the scenarios they found themselves in? Or is it a case of "if I tell you I'll have to shoot you."
That's an interesting difference between the yanks and other parts of the world. Others might try other tactics first and use guns as last resort. What about tasers? Might they be more suitable as a first response? Firing shots in a crowded public place is not the first response on there ground; I hope. I wonder if this Sky Marshals thing has been really thought through in depth. Indeed, what feedback has their been from Sky Marshals about the scenarios they found themselves in? Or is it a case of "if I tell you I'll have to shoot you."
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http://www.propublica.org/article/hi...arshal-service
I think you have about a 10 times greater chance of having cockpit crew with weapon than meeting a FAM.
" Bullet hole in fuselage? Decompression?"
Almost certainly not.
A bullet hole in the fuselage or window, would be just that, with a small leak of air.
If the bullet hit any wiring or systems, then it could cause problems, but unlikely to bring the plane down.
Don't believe what you see in movies.
Almost certainly not.
A bullet hole in the fuselage or window, would be just that, with a small leak of air.
If the bullet hit any wiring or systems, then it could cause problems, but unlikely to bring the plane down.
Don't believe what you see in movies.
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Interesting article. No hijacking prevented whatsoever.
Except for ElAl, no country allows for this insane practice.
I come form a civilized country with unarmed police and no death penalty.
Works like a charm.
Oh , and no guns for pilots.
That is just crazy.
Is that still done?
Except for ElAl, no country allows for this insane practice.
I come form a civilized country with unarmed police and no death penalty.
Works like a charm.
Oh , and no guns for pilots.
That is just crazy.
Is that still done?
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Several other airlines in the Middle East have quietly operated into places like LHR and JFK with armed sky marshals for decades now. But, don't tell anyone. 
We could tell you, but you know the rest...
We could tell you, but you know the rest...
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Even middle european airlines have regularly armed sky marshalls on board. I meet them quite often on my duties. But usually i have more weapons from normal bodyguards in the flightdeck anyway.
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I used to work at NATO HQ in the 80s with SACLANT REPEUR.
Terrorists and communist scum everywhere. Me , my MB230E and the Admiral in the back. A Cosmic Top Secret, Diplomatic Plates and no need to know.
I know how it works.
Keep a low profile, use all resources if needed.
And never introduce anything that can be counter productive.
Guns in the air is dangerous, and has never done any good.
Children like to play with guns. Most grownups respect them.
Terrorists and communist scum everywhere. Me , my MB230E and the Admiral in the back. A Cosmic Top Secret, Diplomatic Plates and no need to know.
I know how it works.
Keep a low profile, use all resources if needed.
And never introduce anything that can be counter productive.
Guns in the air is dangerous, and has never done any good.
Children like to play with guns. Most grownups respect them.