USA Today: UA forcibly remove random pax from flight
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Looks like the attorneys are going after the CVR on the plane. Remember the naïve days when we were told that it could only be used for safety purposes?
Maybe moot in this case since the plane has probably operated several sectors since Sunday.
Cockpit cameras are just around the corner...
Attorneys for doctor yanked from United flight seeks to preserve - wave3.com-Louisville News, Weather & Sports
Maybe moot in this case since the plane has probably operated several sectors since Sunday.
Cockpit cameras are just around the corner...
Attorneys for doctor yanked from United flight seeks to preserve - wave3.com-Louisville News, Weather & Sports
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There is NO way UA Legal is going let this go to court. As to the Chicago Police, they have a long record of paying to victims of police bodily injuries--millions for less than this event.
There is NO way UA Legal is going let this go to court. As to the Chicago Police, they have a long record of paying to victims of police bodily injuries--millions for less than this event.
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Another development in the case, it appears that all three officers were indeed from the Chicago Department of Aviation, not the Chicago Police Department as some earlier reports said:
2 more officers placed on leave after passenger dragged off United flight | abc7chicago.com
2 more officers placed on leave after passenger dragged off United flight
By Jessica D'Onofrio
Updated 12 mins ago
CHICAGO (WLS) --
The Chicago Department of Aviation says two more officers have been placed on administrative leave after a Kentucky doctor was dragged off a United flight Sunday.
One officer was placed on leave Monday, one day after the incident. CDA said it will not release the names of the officers.
By Jessica D'Onofrio
Updated 12 mins ago
CHICAGO (WLS) --
The Chicago Department of Aviation says two more officers have been placed on administrative leave after a Kentucky doctor was dragged off a United flight Sunday.
One officer was placed on leave Monday, one day after the incident. CDA said it will not release the names of the officers.
So whose clever idea was it to stop at $800, then, and do they still have a job?
Instead of a few grand they've spent millions, which makes no sense at all - if they had budget authority for millions they would also have had budget authority for the few grand.
Instead of a few grand they've spent millions, which makes no sense at all - if they had budget authority for millions they would also have had budget authority for the few grand.
I figure the refund noted above will amount to around $30,000 - $40,000.
Add to that the compensation to Dr Dao and the loss in share value then and future losses due to reputation taking a hammering then $4800 to off-load 4 pax seems a bargain
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This is a major operational hub for an airline with a 24/7 operating schedule,, global operations, and nearly five thousand flights per day. The notion that there would be nobody on duty who could authorize alternative transport simply beggars the imagination.
Stand easy, they're not after the crew, they're after United. This is straight from the playbook.
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Before saying that the pax could be legally asked to leave by crew - ask if he:
a) Knew that in advance (as very few pax know)
b) Was it explained to him that he had to leave?
Both are highly unlikely.
We know that United Breaks Guitars: 2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
And we know that, after being told to stop taking pictures - and COMPLYING - another pax was thrown off: 2013 Thrown Off a United Airlines Flight for Taking Pictures! - Live and Let's Fly (thre is a follow on story link at the bottom of the page)
As to the CEO: he made a standard CEO first response based on what he was being told. He will be telling his people that, next time, they'd better tell him the full situation.
I don't think he should lose his job but the media can afford to try and unseat him as the outcome is win/win for them.
Both of these events happened before Munoz took control. What he needs to point out is that NO ONE learnt a DAMM THING.
a) Knew that in advance (as very few pax know)
b) Was it explained to him that he had to leave?
Both are highly unlikely.
We know that United Breaks Guitars: 2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Breaks_Guitars
And we know that, after being told to stop taking pictures - and COMPLYING - another pax was thrown off: 2013 Thrown Off a United Airlines Flight for Taking Pictures! - Live and Let's Fly (thre is a follow on story link at the bottom of the page)
As to the CEO: he made a standard CEO first response based on what he was being told. He will be telling his people that, next time, they'd better tell him the full situation.
I don't think he should lose his job but the media can afford to try and unseat him as the outcome is win/win for them.
Both of these events happened before Munoz took control. What he needs to point out is that NO ONE learnt a DAMM THING.
simply beggars the imagination.
Unintended consequences. The CVR will be in the public domain, therefore the FAA is apt to listen to it. A well documented case at my airline had the FAA take note of a conversation prior to departure where the FO said he was tired and had considered calling off the trip. A number of hours later at the destination, ground personnel marshaled the crew into the gate and clipped the wing of an adjacent aircraft. This on the Captain's side. The crew was found not to be at fault, however the FAA went after the FO for flying fatigued, based off a comment on the CVR. Dismissed but not after many sleepless nights, pun intended.
It is entirely possible that this event will trigger a more substantial review of the current airline rules. The US carriers operate oligopolies or monopolies on most routes, yet they are still regulated as if there were active competition.
Mr Munoz's recent about face and sudden shift from intransigent to apologetic probably reflects his belated recognition that the rules might be changed if the public is sufficiently outraged.
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I worked for Continental in London and we hired air taxis when needed to transport spares and Engineers all over Europe - a quick call to Maintrol in Houston was all that was needed as authorisation.
I'm just grateful that the guy wasn't wearing leggings - they would probably have shot him..
I'm just grateful that the guy wasn't wearing leggings - they would probably have shot him..
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Many people have blinders on, including, apparently, the idiots in charge Sunday night who found themselves constitutionally incapable of thinking outside the box.
I happen to have spent time at the operations control facility for a major U.S. based carrier of the size we're talking about, and I guarantee you there is plenty of management discretion available to solve operational problems as they arise.
Well, that's just damn dumb, isn't it.
And developing a reputation for involuntarily bumping paying customers (even if the result is merely a pissed-off customer rather than the fracas we see here) isn't also quite expensive?
I happen to have spent time at the operations control facility for a major U.S. based carrier of the size we're talking about, and I guarantee you there is plenty of management discretion available to solve operational problems as they arise.
There isn't an established process to call some charter service and find out if there's a king aire hanging around doing nothing.
Aircraft of that level are expensive
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Somewhat off-topic, but it wouldn't be all that hard to mount the argument that investigating an incident that resulted in a passenger in the hospital and blood all over the aircraft interior might be safety-related.
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Generally, the pro-authority side's response to such concerns boils down to, "what's the matter, got something to hide?"
You've been pretty consistently making the pro-authority argument here. Feel differently when it's the CVR tapes?
You've been pretty consistently making the pro-authority argument here. Feel differently when it's the CVR tapes?
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No, it was not perfectly reasonable, it was completely unreasonable. It was the airline's problem, not the passengers', and they should have found some other way to fix it. If you think this is "perfectly reasonable" I hope you're not in a service industry.
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Aircraft of that level are expensive and tasked pretty heavily to afford them, not a guarantee ones available.
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And, I'm sure it's a TSA incident as well.