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TU154 out of Sochi is missing.

Old 25th Dec 2016, 21:55
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No video,please re-post without the grey back drop.
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Old 25th Dec 2016, 22:00
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgvIxpNMn0
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Old 25th Dec 2016, 22:33
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Without more information, we can imagine many real or fantastic scenarios - flaps and/or HS issue, fuel quality, exceeding MTOW, icing, switching off the fuel pumps for buffer tank, birds strike, mid-air collision with drone, SAM, human error, pilot suicide, lost of spatial awarnes and many others. The bomb theory is one among them and it is poor speculation for making the interview more "spicy".
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Old 25th Dec 2016, 23:09
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Don't know where the grey backdrop came from, I mere;y posted the link?
Anyway, try this: http:// LiveLeak.com - Redefining the Media view?i= 631_1482690800
Take the spaces out eg before "view" and before "6" etc
According to the blurb that goes with this, all the controls except ailerons and engines failed!
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 00:36
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all the controls except ailerons and engines failed
Not the case at all, was dutch roll caused by an engineer mis-connecting one of the elements of the automatic on-board flight control system to the power supply.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...her-ua232.html
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 00:42
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Don't know where the grey backdrop came from, I mere;y posted the link?
Anyway, try this: http:// LiveLeak.com - Redefining the Media view?i= 631_1482690800
Take the spaces out eg before "view" and before "6" etc
According to the blurb that goes with this, all the controls except ailerons and engines failed!
That video requires Flash to be installed. Grey background is what is seen unless the plugin is installed. Thankfully Flash is going away, but that's the reason.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 04:12
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Allegedly, this aircraft was being piloted by the same man driving the one that crashed off Sochi.:
LiveLeak.com - Extreme landing of uncontrollable Tu-154
An amazing video!
No he wasn't the pilot nor the PNF, he was the navigator in both cases.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 05:35
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Originally Posted by Karel_x View Post
Without more information, we can imagine many real or fantastic scenarios - flaps and/or HS issue, fuel quality, exceeding MTOW, icing, switching off the fuel pumps for buffer tank, birds strike, mid-air collision with drone, SAM, human error, pilot suicide, lost of spatial awarnes and many others. The bomb theory is one among them and it is poor speculation for making the interview more "spicy".
Fuel contamination is not likely - they fueled the buffer tanks only, main tank feeding the engines was full with the Moscow fuel.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 10:19
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Viktor Ozerov, head of Russia's defence affairs committee at the upper house of Russian parliament, said in remarks carried by the state news agency RIA Novosti that he "totally excludes terrorism" as a possible cause of the crash.
Whilst conceding that terrorism is only one in a long list of possible causes of the accident, as discussed earlier, I fail to see how this man can say that it can be excluded at this very early stage of the investigation. I assume this statement is being made purely for political reasons in a vain attempt to assure the Russian people that they have nothing to fear from terrorists, unlike people elsewhere. Sensible Russians will no doubt ignore his reassurances.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 10:47
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It was military aircraft going to the front line of a country at war.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 11:29
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It was a military flight with also civilian passengers.
And a loss of lifes is always a tradegy. Doesn't matter if civilian or military.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 11:55
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It was civilian variant of the airliner without any military cargo on board and it crashed in unrestricted airspace. So, whatever element was responsible it is beneficial for the community to discuss it in calm professional manner.

You comment (and i take a courage to say that you as well my good sir) is more fit to "The Sun" comment section
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 12:02
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It would be a great irony if the cargo (rogue ammunition for Syrian war maybe?) would be the culprit in this case. If so I don't think it would be ever made public by Russian authorities.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 12:30
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The crush site and fuselage was find approx. 1.7 km from the cost. Some fragments and captain body were already lifted. The place is the same as at satellite photo. Depth ca. 50m.

https://meduza.io/image/attachments/...00546NymKA.jpg

No military cargo was reportedly aboard.

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Old 26th Dec 2016, 12:35
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Originally Posted by PashaF View Post
It was civilian variant of the airliner without any military cargo on board and it crashed in unrestricted airspace.
Whether it turns out to have any relevance or not, neither we nor you have any knowledge regarding what cargo may or may not have been on board.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 14:09
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DaveReidUK, Pali:

Living all my life at the (Russian) AF bases and serving at the AF for about 25 years, my strong opinion is that no real military cargo is transported during such flights, with a crowd of civilians (here, musicians, chartity fund activists and especially journalists) with no clearance, etc. Plus, this plane is indeed a civilian passenger one and AF have many other planes available for all kinds of military cargo.


One may call this plane military but it is the same situation when a multi-star general uses a regular Escalade with a driver for every day trips to Pentagon and then back home to a nice Virginia neighborhood. Would this car be considered military?
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 14:17
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Witness walking on the beach relates her account (jet engine roar, flash, splash.) Towards the end of story.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 17:09
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One may call this plane military but it is the same situation when a multi-star general uses a regular Escalade with a driver for every day trips to Pentagon and then back home to a nice Virginia neighborhood. Would this car be considered military?
Is that a trick question? Of course it would.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 17:28
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we can imagine many real or fantastic scenarios - flaps and/or HS issue, fuel quality, exceeding MTOW, icing, switching off the fuel pumps for buffer tank, birds strike, mid-air collision with drone, SAM, human error, pilot suicide, lost of spatial awarnes and many others.
While engaged in boundless speculation, we should not forget inadequately stowed cargo. Like at Bagram.
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Old 26th Dec 2016, 17:49
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Weather

Pic of aircraft on ground in Sochi shows wet snow. Anyone have the METAR for that night? De icing issue?
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