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Asiana A380 crew punch-up?

Old 5th Dec 2016, 16:38
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Asiana A380 crew punch-up?

Seems 2 FOs had a falling out prior to departure with one ending up visiting the ER while the other continued the flight to destination.

Asiana Airlines under fire for letting injured pilot fly after punch-up
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 17:07
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As they were both ex Military, I would put money on this being in some part due to some kind of "lack of respect" to the higher ranking officer from their Military days (not who is senior in the company).

Pure speculation on my behalf, having worked in Korea.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 17:43
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Not a lot of info in the news bit on this.

Simply being able medically to fly does not necessarily cover it alone.

Some degree of adrenaline coupled with discipline worry might be the more serous concern.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 15:06
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Originally Posted by twentyyearstoolate View Post
As they were both ex Military, I would put money on this being in some part due to some kind of "lack of respect" to the higher ranking officer from their Military days (not who is senior in the company).

Pure speculation on my behalf, having worked in Korea.
Not only in Korea, do some ex military types put on display, their unsuitablity for civilian operations.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 19:27
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Is it just me, or would others prefer that any pilot playing Fight Club with other airline employees (or anyone else) is not someone that is tempermentally suited to sitting in a large transport airliner cockpit. I don't care whether he was physically injured or not, I don't want him there, and I can't imagine a reason why airline management would have let him continue to fly. Just another reason why certain airlines are on my no-fly list.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 19:50
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For all we know the uninjured pilot was not the instigator and only acted in self defense. Who are we to judge him not temperamentally suited to sit in a large transport airliner cockpit?
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 18:20
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"Just another reason why certain airlines are on my no-fly list".

It's nothing personal but I see this statement so often that I find it quite frankly risible.

Do you really think that any airline in the world gives a toss whether or not you have put them on your "no fly list"?
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 18:35
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The history of the industry is littered with the corpses of airlines who lost sight of why passengers should want to fly with them rather than with the competition.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 18:55
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Well they aren't the first airline pilots to have resorted to fisticuffs although waiting until after the flight, too many beers and an argument over a woman is more conventional.
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Nothing like having a fight in the cockpit while taxiing in, falling against the cockpit door, and falling into first class with swinging fists. 1980 ish.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 19:47
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Peekay 4 said.

For all we know the uninjured pilot was not the instigator and only acted in self defence.
True indeed and not the point at all. The potential safety implications of having been in a physical altercation should dictate immediate stand down from duty. Should he be exonerated then he can be compensated financially at a later date. It is exactly this sort of disregard to the non technical side of aviation safety that has contributed to a litany of crashes in the Korean aviation sector for years. The penny has not yet dropped. People are right to be concerned about airlines like this if indeed the article is a fair reflection of what happened.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 20:01
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For all we know the uninjured pilot was not the instigator
But he was injured according to the press report. He was allowed to fly after the company's 'safety director' checked him out. I wonder if the safety director is a doctor? Loads of fights have ended with no apparent severe injury. And then one of the pugilists later keels over with a bleed on the brain. It doesn't happen all the time, but it happens. Also, I imagine the adrenalin rush that occurs during and after a punch up doesn't exactly make for a conducive mental condition for work.

Whether or not you want it, you pilots are held in great esteem by the vast majority of the public. I think they would prefer to fly without a crew member that hadn't just been involved in a brawl.

Like button push ignored the Korean cargo crash at STN also sprang to my mind when I read about this. IIRC the RHS just kept his mouth shut even although he knew his inaction would kill them all, the military thinking was that pervasive.

I too am sure there was a case (in the 80s) where the flight deck were fighting with each other before crashing, but a quick search reveals nowt.
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To reply to "button push ignored": I believe KAL lost an A300 at Seoul on 10/08/94 in an over-run accident. No-one killed, but was reported that 2 pilots had a disagreement (about whether to continue the landing?)
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