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Jet goes down on its way to Medellin, Colombia

Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:03
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That appears to be Señor Alex Quispe, as noted in the first sentence of Celia's report.
Hey went down with the A...C
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Smott999
I hope they find that guy.
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That appears to be Señor Alex Quispe, as noted in the first sentence of Celia's report.
Señor Alex Quispe was amongst the deceased:

Boliviana sobrevive a tragedia del accidente aéreo de Chapecoense | ATB Digital

Entre los tripulantes bolivianos a cargo de la aeronave, fallecieron ocho personas: Miguel Quiroga, Ovar Goyti, Sisy Arias (hija del periodista Jorge Arias), Alex Quispe, Gustavo Encina, Erwin Tumiri, Ángel Lugo y el asistente de vuelo Romel Vacaflores.
Mr Google Translate tells me this says "Among the Bolivian crew in charge of the aircraft, eight people died: Miguel Quiroga, Ovar Goyti, Sisy Arias (daughter of journalist Jorge Arias), Alex Quispe, Gustavo Encina, Erwin Tumiri, Angel Lugo and flight attendant Romel Vacaflores."
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:07
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Part of any investigation by the UK AAIB is a report on the physical condition of the aircrew. The TV interviews before takeoff display a party atmosphere; I presume that a p.m. is planned to exclude any suspicion of alcohol being involved.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:11
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By the way, the company name, "La Mia",would be translated as "Mine", referring to a female object.

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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:19
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Idle Descent

Perhaps previous flights "worked" with a straight in descent at flight idle. It would be interesting to see the previous fuel upload numbers at Medillin

We glider folk will do straight in final glides with tight margins. Sometimes they do not work according to plan, but in daylight we just pick a field - not a good plan in the dark in a heavy
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:20
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http://www.atb.com.bo/seccion/socied...de-chapecoense

From ATB Digital:

"Alex Richard Quispe Garcia, era despachador de vuelo de LaMia, tenía 39 años. Su formación como despachador fue realizada en La Paz, curso sus estudios secundarios en Uyuni, en el Colegio Nacional Antonio Quijarro, donde se destaco jugando fútbol. Estaba casado con Flora Tarqui Ávila y tenía un hijo. "

http://www.atb.com.bo/seccion/sociedad/boliviana-sobrevive-tragedia-del-accidente-aéreo-de-chapecoense

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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:22
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Mary M, you can probably eliminate alcohol altogether. It would not have been allowed in a high level Brazilian football environment, least of all with a few dozen journalists watching. I'd wager blood alcohol content in the PM wil result in nil, crew and pax.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:33
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At what altitude are they said to have deployed landing gear? I can't see a reference to it anywhere (due, no doubt, to just not finding it)
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:36
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
The RJ85's certificated MTOW is (depending on mod state) 3,500-4,000 lb higher than the 146-200.
Yes. Some are 43,998 kg. 77 POB plus full tanks shouldn't pose any take-off weight problems.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:40
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t would be good for a competent aviation journalist to do a bit of research about Lamia. In Europe, both BAe and Cityjet, source of the aircraft, must have had some dealings with them.
Interesting China-Venezuela link and lots of questions has been posted up earlier.

https://panampost.com/sabrina-martin...amia-airlines/

http://www.pprune.org/9594371-post151.html
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 22:48
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Originally Posted by noflynomore View Post
At what altitude are they said to have deployed landing gear? I can't see a reference to it anywhere (due, no doubt, to just not finding it)
The FDR information may be able to determine that.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:02
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According to a translation of this site:
Despachador de Lamia estaba advertido sobre problemas en plan de vuelo - El Colombiano

"At a press conference held on Thursday morning, Milton Claros, Minister of Public Works of Bolivia, announced the suspension of several directors of the Administration of Airports and Auxiliary Services for Air Navigation (Aasana) and of the General Directorate of Aeronautics Civil (Dgac) of that country, under the pretext of giving transparency to the internal investigation. He did not specify how many would be affected by the measure.

According to the report of the local daily El Deber, Claro also reported on the suspension of air operator certificate enterprise services Lamia (with which counted since July 2015).


He said that the hypothesis about the lack of fuel that caused the electrical fault in the plane is "subjective", and asked to await the results of the official study of the case."
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:13
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It would be good for a competent aviation journalist to do a bit of research about Lamia.
It's a story right up William Langewiesche's alley. He did a couple of comprehensive pieces for Vanity Fair about both AF447 and the Gol/Legacy mid-air. He has extensive ties to Brazil, and I suppose it's only a matter of time before the real extent of this mess is exposed in VF.

By the way, according to the BBC, LaMia's AOC has been suspended. It seems pointless since they don't seem to have any operational capability left, but perhaps this is a precursor to more severe legal action. In any case, a few days late, 71 lives short.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:17
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Originally Posted by AerocatS2A View Post
Yes. Some are 43,998 kg. 77 POB plus full tanks shouldn't pose any take-off weight problems.
Though a bit of digging around suggests that when the aircraft in question was flying for CityJet it was certificated at 42,184 kg (93,000 lb).

So unless it had the higher-weight (97,000 lb) mods embodied subsequently, the lower weights would presumably still apply.

Having said that, I haven't seen any suggestion that the aircraft departed with less than full tanks - the loadsheet would make interesting reading.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:24
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Originally Posted by Carbon Bootprint View Post
It's a story right up William Langewiesche's alley. He did a couple of comprehensive pieces for Vanity Fair about both AF447 and the Gol/Legacy mid-air. He has extensive ties to Brazil, and I suppose it's only a matter of time before the real extent of this mess is exposed in VF.

By the way, according to the BBC, LaMia's AOC has been suspended. It seems pointless since they don't seem to have any operational capability left, but perhaps this is a precursor to more severe legal action. In any case, a few days late, 71 lives short.
The same article says the aircraft was partly owned by the pilot!! Curious and curiouser.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:31
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the loadsheet would make interesting reading.
Hopefully the person who leaked the flight plan will oblige.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:32
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Nightstop wrote:
I've got about 8,000 P1 on the 146 (albiet long ago), I recall we were restricted to FL260 due to the icing rollback issue on the ALF 502's fwiw. Low fuel was a tricky situation to deal with, especially if Holding (with turns always in one direction) fuel would tip from the higher to the lower wing tanks due to an always open high level weir, the type's anherdral added to the imbalance which had to be managed via cross feeding.
It is incredible that people claiming such high experience - as a captain! - can totally misunderstand the physics of flight so badly.

Does the contributor honestly believe this nonsense, or are they just trying for a cheap laugh?

Did he ever try to explain to Bob Hoover that the video of him pouring the iced tea was impossible, and we were unwitting victims of a cruel hoax? Unbelievable!
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:35
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Originally Posted by mary meagher View Post
Part of any investigation by the UK AAIB is a report on the physical condition of the aircrew. The TV interviews before takeoff display a party atmosphere; I presume that a p.m. is planned to exclude any suspicion of alcohol being involved.
Not sure what football team would be getting drunk on the way to the biggest match in their history. Celebratory, happy atmosphere yes, party? I can't see it.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:46
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The most surprising thing about this thread is the lack of understanding of Latin culture. Larger operators, sure, they're mostly legit...but this one-horse show with a pretty private-pilot girl filmed in the left seat prior to departure wearing three stripes; pilot/owner selfies all over social media throwing up gang signs, etc.....this disaster should come as no surprise whatsoever. And I mean it was probably long overdue.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 23:48
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It seems like declaring an emergency could have saved the day. I'm looking into exactly this topic for quite a while now and it seems there is very little knowledge about why pilots seem so reluctant to declare.

Although in this case there are quite a few "obvious" reasons why the owner/pilot did not declare, does anyone know of some proper research / reports why (also GA) pilots do not declare, when they clearly need a maximum of help.
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