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Jeremy Vine Show - Pilotless Airliners

Old 20th Aug 2016, 02:44
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Artificial Intelligence, narrow or weak AI, is here, and will get exponentially smarter, strong or general AGI. It’s already operating the financial markets, it knows what you browse, it’s watching you at almost all times. You probably had interaction with some sort of intelligent machine today that made your life easier. It is said AGI would outperform humans at nearly every cognitive task. Without delving into the dangers of AGI, such systems could potentially undergo recursive self-improvement, triggering an intelligence explosion leaving human intellect far behind. The implications of such revolutionary technologies, such as super-intelligence, if aligned with our goals, could feasibly replace pilots, controllers, etc. A super-intelligent AI network of controllers and aircraft doesn't seem far fetched after all, not in this century.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 03:48
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The reality is all that pilotless airliners will do is introduce new problems to aviation. Not to mention the numerous other systems that will have to be invented to help AI aircraft work.

If you have a read of the Tech Log Forum there is a thread that demonstrates how complex building AI aircraft is going to be.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 05:32
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You can see why Jeremy Vine earns 800,000 pounds a year.
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Jeremy Vine Show - Pointless Radio Presenters

Vine, Evans...
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 08:35
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Before the paying public will get onto a pilotless aircraft, why don't they get rid of the underground drivers in London? Every few months they pop up, blackmail people in order to increase their already extortionate wages. If they can't introduce a system which will safely control a system of trains which only move in one dimension relative to each other, on tracks, what chance have they got of ever introducing pilotless aircraft moving in all 3 dimensions in space, some of which contain rocks????

But the topic reminds me of the old adage:

In future, an airline crew will consist of a pilot and a dog.

Job of the pilot: Feed the dog.

Job of the dog: Bite the pilot in case he tries to touch anything.....
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 08:41
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Originally Posted by SFI145
You can see why Jeremy Vine earns 800,000 pounds a year.
I'm not sure if "earn" is the correct word here, and if that figure is correct, then 5,500 BBC licence fee payers have the pleasure of contributing to it.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Cognoscenti
Artificial Intelligence, narrow or weak AI, is here, and will get exponentially smarter, strong or general AGI. Itís already operating the financial markets, it knows what you browse, itís watching you at almost all times. You probably had interaction with some sort of intelligent machine today that made your life easier. It is said AGI would outperform humans at nearly every cognitive task. Without delving into the dangers of AGI, such systems could potentially undergo recursive self-improvement, triggering an intelligence explosion leaving human intellect far behind. The implications of such revolutionary technologies, such as super-intelligence, if aligned with our goals, could feasibly replace pilots, controllers, etc. A super-intelligent AI network of controllers and aircraft doesn't seem far fetched after all, not in this century.
You may well be right. But, what is the human population going to do to earn its keep & pay for its travel on these computerized travel systems ? Strikes me that we'll have a wonderful social & industrial system with no one able to afford to use them because we are all out of work !
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 09:14
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Originally Posted by SFI145
You can see why Jeremy Vine earns 800,000 pounds a year.
For that amount of money I'll start spouting nonsense and rubbish on tv/radio/whatever every day as well.
Heck, I do it even now and nobody pays me squat....
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 10:01
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Ahh, but has the salesperson been born yet who can sell a ticket on a pilotless aircraft.

It will come one of these days but suspect at first it will only be freighters until the public get used to the idea.

Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong..

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Old 20th Aug 2016, 10:07
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Parabellum, remind me again which aviation terrorist incidents have been foiled by the flight crew, in the past fifteen years?
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Ships operate in two dimensions, aircraft in three.
Ships can stop, aircraft can not.
Once we see ships operating safely without crews, it might be worth thinking about trying it with aircraft. Not before.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 11:52
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Jeremy Vine also stated that the Hudson incident was caused by "running out of fuel".
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 14:40
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By the time pilot-less aircraft become viable, virtual reality and holograms will make both business and leisure travel unnecessary.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 15:29
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
The reality is all that pilotless airliners will do is introduce new problems to aviation. Not to mention the numerous other systems that will have to be invented to help AI aircraft work.

If you have a read of the Tech Log Forum there is a thread that demonstrates how complex building AI aircraft is going to be.
You are using the wrong tense. AI aircraft are being built now.

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Old 20th Aug 2016, 15:49
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The majority on Pprune will deny their existence even when they are flying passengers....
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 17:06
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"If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right; but if he says that it is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
Any sufficiently advanced tchnology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Old 20th Aug 2016, 17:09
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I'll take a bet on pilot-less passenger aircraft in 100 years time.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 17:32
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Most of the current drones are remotely piloted rather than "pilotless". It's worth noting that they have a much worse crash rate than any manned type.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 17:41
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It is possible but it won't happen in our life time.

it will be extremely expensive to implement, overly complicated and less safe.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 17:43
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It is also worth noting that they are single engine, have no backups of any sort and operate in war zones.

All these things tend to hurt survival statistics.
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