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Old 19th Aug 2016, 16:11
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Jeremy Vine Show - Pilotless Airliners

Not sure if anyone else felt the same but the Vine Show spot at 1300 today was just total nonsense. Ill-informed rubbish about clearing out pilots (replacing them with a retired DJ to do the "announcements") and fitting seats to sell in the cockpit space etc We don't 'do anything' anyway and should be replaced by computers……. Discuss.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 16:25
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When big electronics companies are able to produce a toaster that can toast a piece of bread the same colour on 2 sides, when Toyota etc. cease having to recall their cars for serious faults, when Windows no longer freezes, when my radio doesn't go fuzzy as a train passes.... and so on.... then I'd be willing to think about a pilotless aircraft.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 16:29
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Who'd have thought it?!

Pilotless aircraft unpopular on PPRuNe....
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 17:17
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tee hee

seems to be an extension of drone technology which has been in use for how long?
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 17:32
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Perhaps he'd been reading the August edition of The Economist.

Flight fantastic | The Economist

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Old 19th Aug 2016, 17:39
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The JV radio show is the Daily Mail for listeners.

We will have pilotless passenger aircraft, when the general public will get on the aircraft.

Excluding those who will get on Satan's back to fly to Ibiza for £19.99; this will be at a time approximately 50 years after the oil runs out.

In one respect, pilotless aircraft would be the best thing ever to happen, as it would force the industry to start blaming something other than 'pilot error' for, essentially, every crash in history.

When you have to blame either: the operator; or the manufacturer for every crash, lets see what the public make of it ...........

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Old 19th Aug 2016, 18:23
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I understand Google hire students to sit in their cars, not to drive or act as a safety fall back but to stop others being phased by an empty car driving past.

Some would say the same is happening in the airline industry judging by the performances in manual landing in a bit of a cross wind.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 18:27
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It's what I've always said. The technology is there but they need us for that vital thing.

When a plane crashes, it's the pilots' fault but different pilots are on the jet Joe Public is about to get on.

So that's all right then.

When a pilotless airliner goes down, what excuse will they have? The identical ones on the ramp are on version 9.0.2 and the crash one was on 9.0.1? That's a massive lawsuit for allowing people to fly on defective software... If it's 9.0.2. That's the whole fleet grounded.

While they can blame us, we'll all have a job. Simple.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 19:14
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It might happen eventually, but only 20 years after they allow single pilot operation with remote backup.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 19:26
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The technology has been around for a long time.

Problem comes when the plan changes, or for example, ATC want to change the plan at short notice. ....go around, I say again...GO AROUND!
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 19:29
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I'd have thought Vine had more sense, one of the callers mentioned pilots pulling leavers.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 20:25
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Bring back Jimmy Young !

Anyone know what became of him and if he's still around?
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 21:06
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This program , & the contributions from the listening public contained within it, was a complete load of bullsh*t. They didn't have anyone on it who knew anything about the subject, & no one who could explain where we stand technically today & how this would all work out. All it consisted of were one or two people who had connections with victims of air crashes & a few meaningless anecdotes to share. It was all pointless nonsense !
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 21:26
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How will these pilotless airliners know where to position themselves on the conveyor belt? One little hiccup with a conveyor belt and it ends in tears.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 22:20
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I'll fly on a pilotless aircraft when, and only when, the Systems can pass the 'Hudson' test. Sudden loss of all power, huge metro area below: interesting bit of programming!
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 23:08
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I think there was the former Secretary General of BALPA and at least one airline pilot, so not quite accurate.

This program , & the contributions from the listening public contained within it, was a complete load of bullsh*t. They didn't have anyone on it who knew anything about the subject, & no one who could explain where we stand technically today & how this would all work out. All it consisted of were one or two people who had connections with victims of air crashes & a few meaningless anecdotes to share. It was all pointless nonsense !
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 23:48
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Talking to a friend recently who is heavily involved in the (military) development of drones of all sizes, it is true that pilotless technology has been around for quite a while but it is still in its infancy. What we don't get told, because the manufacturers don't want the information made public, are the amount of uncontrolled crashes that occur regularly.


Before the first pilotless commercial flight takes off there will have to be thousands of hours of faultless trial flights in a variety of environments and with a faultless control system that cannot be hacked, hijacked or interfered with by terrorists. Right now and for the foreseeable future there simply are not the R&D funds available, nor any incentive to produce a commercial pilotless pax carrying aircraft, it is cheaper to employ pilots.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 23:56
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Are you people sure that small pilotless aircraft are that far off - eg. a fleet for drones for mail transport to a provincial city from a mailhub, replacing one biggish plane a night?

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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Talking to a friend recently who is heavily involved in the (military) development of drones of all sizes, it is true that pilotless technology has been around for quite a while but it is still in its infancy. What we don't get told, because the manufacturers don't want the information made public, are the amount of uncontrolled crashes that occur regularly.


Before the first pilotless commercial flight takes off there will have to be thousands of hours of faultless trial flights in a variety of environments and with a faultless control system that cannot be hacked, hijacked or interfered with by terrorists. Right now and for the foreseeable future there simply are not the R&D funds available, nor any incentive to produce a commercial pilotless pax carrying aircraft, it is cheaper to employ pilots.
The military accept an attrition rate far higher than for civil systems. The important issues are mission accomplishment, followed by cost. It is a completely different market but it exercises the systems and software informing the civil development.

From research I am seeing now I expect commercial drone systems inside 10 years for package delivery, reduced flight deck crews around the same time. By 2035 expect autonomous UAS in all airspaces.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 01:58
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Be interested to know how you plan to overcome the worldwide terrorist threat by 2035.
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