KoreanAir ATC violation
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KoreanAir ATC violation
Korean Air KE929 has entered rwy without ATC clearance and SQ 9016 made RTO to avoid collision.
Due to RTO, SQ 9016(bound for SFO) had flat tires and had significant delay of 19 hours at incheon airport, Korea.
Due to RTO, SQ 9016(bound for SFO) had flat tires and had significant delay of 19 hours at incheon airport, Korea.
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Kudos to the Singapore Air pilots for averting that disaster!
http://www.airlive.net/breaking-sing...sion-at-seoul/
Friday, Singapore Airlines flight SQ16 to San Francisco was forced to make an emergency stop during takeoff when the controller told the pilots that Korean Air flight KE929 (Airbus A330-200) to St Petersburg (Russia) was crossing the runway without permission.
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I heard that the KE crew that caused this where not replaced and continued the flight to St Petersburg.
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Out of interest, is there an official form of words for ATC to use in these circumstances?
When an aircraft is about to take-off or has commenced the take-off roll, and it is necessary that the aircraft should abandon take-off, the aircraft will be instructed to cancel take-off or stop immediately; these instructions will be repeated.
G-CD, hold position, cancel take-off I say again cancel take-off, acknowledge
BIGJET 347, stop immediately I say again, BIGJET 347, stop immediately, acknowledge
G-CD, hold position, cancel take-off I say again cancel take-off, acknowledge
BIGJET 347, stop immediately I say again, BIGJET 347, stop immediately, acknowledge
I find it interesting that the Military take a completely different approach.
Civil ATCO cancels clearance or instructs the pilot to stop immediately.
Mil ATCO cancels clearance or informs the pilot for him to decide.
I always thought that it was a/c captain that had the final say, if so, why the directive STOP IMMEDIATELY from ATC with no info as to why.
Civil ATCO cancels clearance or instructs the pilot to stop immediately.
Mil ATCO cancels clearance or informs the pilot for him to decide.
I always thought that it was a/c captain that had the final say, if so, why the directive STOP IMMEDIATELY from ATC with no info as to why.
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When I did ATC it was ATC in overall charge of an airfield and not 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 etc. aircraft commanders.
I dread to imagine 2 or more commanders realising there is a problem and both making conflicting decisions whereas ATC is in a position to make one decision upon behalf of everybody concerned.
I dread to imagine 2 or more commanders realising there is a problem and both making conflicting decisions whereas ATC is in a position to make one decision upon behalf of everybody concerned.
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Civil ATCO cancels clearance or instructs the pilot to stop immediately.
Mil ATCO cancels clearance or informs the pilot for him to decide.
I always thought that it was a/c captain that had the final say, if so, why the directive STOP IMMEDIATELY from ATC with no info as to why.
Mil ATCO cancels clearance or informs the pilot for him to decide.
I always thought that it was a/c captain that had the final say, if so, why the directive STOP IMMEDIATELY from ATC with no info as to why.
If ATC had to give the reason for the instruction before the flight crew acted then the delay might be critical.
Originally Posted by Llondel
Isn't it a bit like when you're on finals and PNF suddenly says "Go Around"? It's not something that would be said without good reason so the default is to do as instructed and sort out the reason why later.
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19 HR delay. Ridiculous on the part of SQ.
I thought my airline was bad and alienating the public with our delays. 19 hrs for tires. Either it had to be something larger or that company suffers from serious operational mis-management.
I thought my airline was bad and alienating the public with our delays. 19 hrs for tires. Either it had to be something larger or that company suffers from serious operational mis-management.
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Damage assessment, source and supply possibly 12 new wheels, transport to Korea, ( 6 hours), and fix, 19 hours sounds fair to me, what is your gripe Geebz?
I thought there are agreements on technical support so damage assessment and a handling of AOG would take less than that. Maybe get the new tires from a source closer Singapore.