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prodigykim 8th May 2016 11:33

KoreanAir ATC violation
 
Korean Air KE929 has entered rwy without ATC clearance and SQ 9016 made RTO to avoid collision.
Due to RTO, SQ 9016(bound for SFO) had flat tires and had significant delay of 19 hours at incheon airport, Korea.

Airbubba 8th May 2016 23:12

Did this occur around 0900Z on Thursday, 5 May 2016, perhaps?

Looks like Korean got airborne on time even if SQ had to get new tires.

p.j.m 9th May 2016 07:33

Kudos to the Singapore Air pilots for averting that disaster!

https://i.imgur.com/nssWIA5.jpg


Friday, Singapore Airlines flight SQ16 to San Francisco was forced to make an emergency stop during takeoff when the controller told the pilots that Korean Air flight KE929 (Airbus A330-200) to St Petersburg (Russia) was crossing the runway without permission.
http://www.airlive.net/breaking-sing...sion-at-seoul/

CCA 9th May 2016 13:49

Any truth that SQ was taxiing back for a second takeoff when the plugs began to melt?

etops777 11th May 2016 16:12

CCA

Not true. The 77W had to replace those tires and it was delayed for 19 hours.

ATC Watcher 11th May 2016 16:31

Was told that it was ATC that told SQ to abort T/O as KE passed over a red bar.
Not confirmed however.

z80 12th May 2016 02:11

I heard that the KE crew that caused this where not replaced and continued the flight to St Petersburg.

Airbubba 12th May 2016 02:29


I heard that the KE crew that caused this where not replaced and continued the flight to St Petersburg.
I can't read the Korean in the diagram posted above but I believe that this was the KE flight involved in the runway conflict:

Korean Air Lines Co. (KE) #929 05-May-2016 ICN / RKSI - LED / ULLI FlightAware

martynj3 12th May 2016 08:53

Out of interest, is there an official form of words for ATC to use in these circumstances?

zonoma 12th May 2016 09:15


Out of interest, is there an official form of words for ATC to use in these circumstances?
The UK CAP413 here (PDF download link) details the phraseology to be used in Chapter 4, point 4.41 (page 18) and states:

When an aircraft is about to take-off or has commenced the take-off roll, and it is necessary that the aircraft should abandon take-off, the aircraft will be instructed to cancel take-off or stop immediately; these instructions will be repeated.

G-CD, hold position, cancel take-off I say again cancel take-off, acknowledge

BIGJET 347, stop immediately I say again, BIGJET 347, stop immediately, acknowledge

360BakTrak 12th May 2016 09:36

I doubt they use CAP413 in Korea..........!

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 12th May 2016 09:36

I find it interesting that the Military take a completely different approach.

Civil ATCO cancels clearance or instructs the pilot to stop immediately.
Mil ATCO cancels clearance or informs the pilot for him to decide.

I always thought that it was a/c captain that had the final say, if so, why the directive STOP IMMEDIATELY from ATC with no info as to why.

Phileas Fogg 12th May 2016 09:51

When I did ATC it was ATC in overall charge of an airfield and not 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 etc. aircraft commanders.

I dread to imagine 2 or more commanders realising there is a problem and both making conflicting decisions whereas ATC is in a position to make one decision upon behalf of everybody concerned.

Bula 12th May 2016 11:27

Your Call, My Ass :)

Bluescan 12th May 2016 17:07

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Out of interest, is there an official form of words for ATC to use in these circumstances?
Here's a snapshot from the ICAO Doc 9432 "Manual of Radiotelephony".

:ok:

llondel 13th May 2016 16:33


Civil ATCO cancels clearance or instructs the pilot to stop immediately.
Mil ATCO cancels clearance or informs the pilot for him to decide.

I always thought that it was a/c captain that had the final say, if so, why the directive STOP IMMEDIATELY from ATC with no info as to why.
Isn't it a bit like when you're on finals and PNF suddenly says "Go Around"? It's not something that would be said without good reason so the default is to do as instructed and sort out the reason why later. In this case the reason might have been apparent by looking out the front, assuming visibility was adequate but the extra second required to do that, identify the problem and then act might be the difference between a simple change of underwear and waking up the fire department.

If ATC had to give the reason for the instruction before the flight crew acted then the delay might be critical.

Capn Bloggs 14th May 2016 00:36


Originally Posted by Llondel
Isn't it a bit like when you're on finals and PNF suddenly says "Go Around"? It's not something that would be said without good reason so the default is to do as instructed and sort out the reason why later.

Precisely.

Geebz 14th May 2016 03:33

19 HR delay. Ridiculous on the part of SQ.

I thought my airline was bad and alienating the public with our delays. 19 hrs for tires. Either it had to be something larger or that company suffers from serious operational mis-management.

parabellum 14th May 2016 03:42

Damage assessment, source and supply possibly 12 new wheels, transport to Korea, ( 6 hours), and fix, 19 hours sounds fair to me, what is your gripe Geebz?

Rwy in Sight 14th May 2016 05:22

I thought there are agreements on technical support so damage assessment and a handling of AOG would take less than that. Maybe get the new tires from a source closer Singapore.


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