Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Germanwings crash: Have cockpit doors changed?

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Germanwings crash: Have cockpit doors changed?

Old 10th May 2016, 07:49
  #81 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 2,341
Received 29 Likes on 18 Posts
Suicidal folk are not generally the type to take violent action against other people. They will usually quietly, privately take their own life.

With another person on the flight deck, the latent suicide also knows that their actions are likely to be thwarted - either by the other pilot, or by the F/A opening the door to allow the other pilot back in, so there is not much point in the suicide even trying anything - they are unlikely to be successful.

The problem is that a suicidal person left alone in a locked secure flight deck could convince themselves that they are now 'alone' and that their actions will only affect themselves.

The solution is quite simple: Move the secure cockpit door rearwards so that the forward toilet cubicle becomes part of the cockpit. Then no pilot needs to leave the flight deck during flight, even for a comfort break. If passengers complain about there being no forward toilet or higher ticket prices, say sorry, but remind them it is for greater security. I don't remember them complaining when the locked cockpit doors were first fitted.

This will cost money, but until 9/11, most aircraft did not have secure locking cockpit doors, and as soon as the security flaw was recognised, action was taken. The threat of the latent suicide by a non terrorist was possibly unrecognised until this crash, but a solution exists and action can be taken again.
Uplinker is offline  
Old 10th May 2016, 08:02
  #82 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: 41S174E
Age: 56
Posts: 2,886
Received 158 Likes on 43 Posts
It was well recognised.
framer is online now  
Old 10th May 2016, 08:55
  #83 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Brisvegas
Posts: 3,765
Likes: 0
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
The threat of the latent suicide by a non terrorist was possibly unrecognised until this crash,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

I don't remember them complaining when the locked cockpit doors were first fitted.
Why would they, there was no impact on passengers?
Icarus2001 is online now  
Old 12th May 2016, 04:59
  #84 (permalink)  
THUNDERTAILED
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: L200
Posts: 321
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Move the armoured door backwards - just fore of row 1. The passengers are the threat. Lock them in, not the crew.

Then there would be a crew toilet, a crew galley, more space, better relations with cabin crew, happier work environment.
AfricanSkies is offline  
Old 12th May 2016, 06:01
  #85 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Timbukthree
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Would the above mentioned configuration be practical in a 19-seat turbo-prop?
Of course not..
evansb is offline  
Old 12th May 2016, 16:46
  #86 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: London
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AfricanSkies
The passengers are the threat. Lock them in, not the crew.
Surely you didn't make that statement in a thread about the Germanwings incident.
Parker13 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.