Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

A321 explosion at Mogadishu

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

A321 explosion at Mogadishu

Old 6th Feb 2016, 09:12
  #101 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Where it is comfortable...
Age: 55
Posts: 685
News sources now say the bomb was likely concealed in a laptop.
andrasz is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 10:56
  #102 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Montenegro
Age: 37
Posts: 285
considering where it happened, good thing is they still have to conceal it
AreOut is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 14:12
  #103 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Seoul
Posts: 101
People seem to be talking about two different things interchangeably:

1. The amount of damage of the explosion at various altitudes

and

2. The trigger mechanism (human / timer)

Just because the explosion may not cause more damage at a higher altitude does not mean that if it was human triggered the person who did it knew or thought that. All other things being equal, I would expect a suicide bomber to wait until a higher altitude and better location on the assumption more damage would be caused. Flight being late and low altitude to me suggests a timer.

On the other hand, if human triggered, maybe the bomber thought good enough, maybe so nervous thought it was at cruise altitude, or maybe just made a mistake. I suspect they will figure it out at the end though.

TME
TeachMe is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 15:27
  #104 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bear Island
Posts: 515
Andraz

New sources being whom ? Are they closely connected with the investigation or speculating like everybody else?

There is some very interesting information regarding this incident on previous pages, call it "locally based observation" if you like.
What is interesting about it is not the mode of delivery, but why this aircraft in particular took the hit.
Teddy Robinson is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 15:51
  #105 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: uk
Posts: 580
a/c Greek registry, company Djibouti owned, UAE based and incident occurred in Somalia where there is no government worth the name.

It's going to be an "interesting" investigation.
Wageslave is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 17:09
  #106 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Schiphol
Posts: 331
BBC just reports that Transport Minister officially confirmed it was a bomb.
A0283 is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 17:30
  #107 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,271
Originally Posted by TeachMe View Post
People seem to be talking about two different things interchangeably:

1. The amount of damage of the explosion at various altitudes

and

2. The trigger mechanism (human / timer)

Just because the explosion may not cause more damage at a higher altitude does not mean that if it was human triggered the person who did it knew or thought that. All other things being equal, I would expect a suicide bomber to wait until a higher altitude and better location on the assumption more damage would be caused. Flight being late and low altitude to me suggests a timer.

On the other hand, if human triggered, maybe the bomber thought good enough, maybe so nervous thought it was at cruise altitude, or maybe just made a mistake. I suspect they will figure it out at the end though.

TME

Or potentially both?


A human trigger to detonate in the cruise, but with a timer backup incase he loses his bottle?

Assuming the triggerman was not the brains behind it.
LlamaFarmer is offline  
Old 6th Feb 2016, 22:16
  #108 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 245
Of course it was a bomb, just like the downing of the Russian craft in Egypt was a bomb. Whatever a country needs to be a bomb, is a bomb. I look back on the 1960-2000 period and I just have to say, what a waste. So many mechanical or structural failures that could have been classified as bombs but were not. What on earth were security agencies thinking at that time?! Never let a crisis go to waste. It's a gosh darn good thing that we have learned that lesson so we can find a terrorist wherever and whenever we need to give the public a good scare and keep them in line.

It's a bomb citizen, do your duty and be frightened. Nothing else to see here, move along.
MountainBear is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2016, 02:32
  #109 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Canada
Posts: 11
Appears that your tinfoil hat might be a little too tight.
Johno8 is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2016, 18:31
  #110 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,257
Airport workers seen with laptop used in Somalia in-flight jet blast

From CNN:

(CNN) Somali intelligence officials say two airport workers handled a laptop believed to have contained a bomb that later exploded in a passenger plane.

In a video made public on Sunday by officials, one airport worker takes the laptop and hands it to another employee.

The employees then hand it over to a man who was killed when the laptop explosion blew a hole in the plane's fuselage, said Abdisalam Aato, a spokesman for the Somali Prime Minister.

Both workers have been arrested.
Further from VOA:

Somali government officials said Saturday airport security cameras caught two people dressed in military uniforms passing a laptop to the passenger who died after Tuesday's mid-flight bomb blast aboard a passenger plane.

"The National Intelligence Agency has security recordings showing two men giving a laptop, in a hidden way, to a passenger man. The man was identified as the dead body ejected out of the hole created by the explosion," Cabinet spokesman Abdisalan Ahmed Ato told VOA's Somali service.

An official of the Somali Intelligence Agency told VOA earlier that Mogadishu airport staff and employees of Daallo Airlines were among those who have been detained for questioning, including two people suspected of assisting the suspected bomber.
peekay4 is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2016, 20:26
  #111 (permalink)  
Paxing All Over The World
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Hertfordshire, UK.
Age: 63
Posts: 8,940
As of the time of writing, the BBC web report does not mention that the aircraft was subbing for Turkish. The Turkish change of operations certainly looks worth investigating.
PAXboy is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2016, 23:07
  #112 (permalink)  
thf
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: living room
Posts: 40
Al Jazeera: Somali jet suspect 'checked in on Turkish Airlines'

Al Jazeera: Somali jet suspect 'checked in on Turkish Airlines'

The suspected suicide bomber who blew himself up aboard a Somali airliner on a flight from Mogadishu to Djibouti was meant to board a Turkish Airlines flight, the head of Daallo Airlines told Al Jazeera. (...)

The 74 passengers aboard the flight were originally checked in with Turkish Airlines, which flies to Somalia three times per week, Mohamed Ibrahim Yasin Olad, Daallo Airlines chief told Al Jazeera on Sunday.

"They were not our passengers. Turkish Airlines cancelled its flight from Mogadishu that morning because their incoming flight from Djibouti could not come to Mogadishu because of what they said was strong wind," Olad said.

"They requested we carry the passengers on their behalf to Djibouti where they would continue their journey on a Turkish Airlines flight," Olad added.

"Turkish Airlines have not been in contact with us since the incident happened. You can say they are trying to distance themselves from the incident." Olad said. (...)

Al Jazeera contacted Turkish Airlines for comment but so far did not get a response. (...)

Somali state TV (SNTV) aired CCTV footage on Sunday showing what it said were the suspects behind the airplane blast. The footage showed three men exchanging what appeared to be a laptop at a coffee shop at the airport.

Abdullahi Abbdisalam Borleh, a Somali national, has been named by authorities as the man who was sucked out of Flight 3159. His badly burnt body was found some 30km outside the Somali capital.

Somali government spokesman Abdisalam Aato told Al Jazeera on Sunday that more than 20 suspects were in custody in connections with the explosion.

No one has claimed responsibility for the plane blast.
thf is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 04:03
  #113 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perth - Western Australia
Age: 70
Posts: 1,806
Perhaps we can take some comfort from the fact that aircraft bombers are becoming less successful?
Surely, the elimination of some senior bomb-makers amongst the jihad set, must eventually have a negative impact on their followers successes?
onetrack is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 08:09
  #114 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: England
Posts: 0
Originally Posted by onetrack
Perhaps we can take some comfort from the fact that aircraft bombers are becoming less successful?
Surely, the elimination of some senior bomb-makers amongst the jihad set, must eventually have a negative impact on their followers successes?
is there an argument that more modern planes are less vulnerable to this kind of attack?

Or is it just luck of the draw where it goes off?
Scuffers is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 08:21
  #115 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Japan
Posts: 629
It is reported that they found the burnt body of the alleged bomber. If it reaches a maximum velocity of what, 200 kph (?) does the actual height make no further difference, whether 1,000 or 10,000 feet?
jolihokistix is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 08:30
  #116 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: England
Posts: 0
no, the higher up you are, the faster you will fall, as you get lower, air density increases, thus aero drag increases, thus you slow down.
Scuffers is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 08:50
  #117 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Japan
Posts: 629
Thanks for that, Scuffers.
jolihokistix is offline  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 15:15
  #118 (permalink)  
Union Jack is online now  
Old 8th Feb 2016, 23:30
  #119 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: WA STATE
Age: 74
Posts: 1
Falling fast

the higher up you are, the faster you will fall, as you get lower, air density increases, thus aero drag increases, thus you slow down.
exactly- if you go high enough you can fall supersonic - speed of sound varies mostly with temperature until in the very very high stgratosphere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I

do not try this at home

Felix Baumgartner's supersonic freefall from 128k' - Mission Highlights
CONSO is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2016, 07:35
  #120 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Japan
Posts: 629
Another question that everyone must have thought but no-one has yet asked, to my knowledge. What is likely to happen to this airframe? Is it repairable, I wonder?
jolihokistix is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.