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Men kicked off flight for looking too Muslim

Old 20th Jan 2016, 13:06
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Men kicked off flight for looking too Muslim

Does this happen often?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2499843
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 13:24
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If social media feeds I get are anything to go by, yes.

Wonderful way to stir up racial tension isn't it - not least because the chap on the left of that photograph couldn't really look more sikh if he tried !

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Probably that's because he is Sikh

The four — Alam and another flier are Bangladeshi Muslims, one is an Arab Muslim and Anand a Sikh from India — were all ordered off the flight.
Why don't we just do away with the Seurity 'theatre' and rely on white flight attendants to decide who's a threat and who isn't.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 13:37
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“She said the stewardess and the captain felt uneasy with us being on the flight. There were inconsistencies of our behavior traveling as a group, because two of us upgraded and two of us didn’t.”

I didn't think someone upgrading to business or not is a normal indicator of security threat.



Racial discrimination and profiling everywhere with air travel...

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What's air travel in the USA gonna be like for anyone "a bit racial" if Trump gets into power.

And how many people ignorant enough to cause a problem are going to know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim anyway, or any other asian-looking person (my generalisation is indicative of their ignorant generalisation)
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 14:46
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I'm not condoning this idiotic behavior in any way.
But remember that the 911 terrorists were in groups of 4, and got themselves seats in the front rows for access. I can understand why some suspicion was raised, just not the massive over-reaction to that.
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But remember that the 911 terrorists were in groups of 4, and got themselves seats in the front rows for access
For which the chosen policy was the flight deck security door.

Not (as far as I know) racial or religious apartheid.
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I can understand why some suspicion was raised, just not the massive over-reaction to that.
Just out of interest, what would be the proper reaction to such kind of suspicion?
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we live in a scary world.

doing what they did with last minute booking changes that were clearly co-ordinated is bound to raise flaggs.

Yes, it's a shame we have to consider threats like this, and that normal people will sometimes get caught up in situations like this, but if you take a step back, it's easy to understand why they were viewed with suspicion.

Personally, as SLF, I want the Captain to retain the right to be able to off-load whoever he likes.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 15:58
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What a world we live in.

Times have changed. Let them win their lawsuit.

(And have the captain checked for paranoia).

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Still, even if they were 'black-hats' the security screening would have ensured they were unarmed (and if not, why not?). The secure flight deck door would have kept the cockpit secure.

So what was accomplished here?

At very least they deserve an apology, and compensation for any losses incurred

Maybe punitive damages should be awarded (and donated to a worthwhile charity) to stop knee-jerk reactions like this. But this is a distinctly US concept, so I'll withhold further comments.

Remind me not to ask for an upgrade in the future.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 16:15
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It's gonna be awfully tricky for the Captain if he ever gets an international job !! He's not going to get airborne very often !

Only time I ever offloaded someone in this kind of fashion was out of Manila the day after 9/11 - the ground staff advised me that they were boarding someone who had been rejected by immigration. I asked why - she said, "false passport". I declined the offer to carry the guy as we didn't know who he was ........ the ground staff said, "yes, yes, we do" and showed me his passport
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we live in a scary world.
The World is no scarier than it ever was. Certainly the minuscule risk from terrorism normal people face in daily life is no cause for the ever increasing paranoia we are seeing.

It seems the "Keep calm and carry on" of a previous generation has been replaced with "We're scared sh**less why aren't you?"

Yes, it's a shame we have to consider threats like this, and that normal people will sometimes get caught up in situations like this
Just spare a though for how they may feel about all this. Completely innocent travellers subjected to that level of suspicion and finger pointing just because of the way they look. Perhaps they are the ones with a little more justification to feel scared.

I want the Captain to retain the right to be able to off-load whoever he likes.
Maybe, but only on grounds of flight safety, not some vague predjudice.
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Just out of interest, what would be the proper reaction to such kind of suspicion?
Flag to the airport TSA staff, and ask for re-confirmation that the group is fit to fly, I'd have thought.

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In the aftermath of 9/11, a lot of Sikhs in the UK wore T shirts saying "Don't freak, I'm a Sikh". Sad that it was needed. Having said that, I was passenger aboard a cruise ship on 9/11, and one of the passengers said to me that she was worried about a fellow passenger. Elegantly dressed, beard, and turban. I explained that he was a Sikh, and she hadn't a clue.
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A few years back, post 9/11, Uffers junior worked for Thomas Cook. On a work experience trip back from Tahiti via JFK, one of the group of Asian appearance, got up and changed seats while taxiing out to bag the four across in economy to have a sleep. Unfortunately some American passenger thought this was suspicious and complained. As a result the aircraft returned to the gate, and despite the fact that he was a travel agent, on a travel agents works outing, was off loaded. Uffers Jnr and others of the group tried to intervene, but the Virgin captain was adamant that he be removed.
His name was Singh!!!!
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Good Business Sense View Post
Only time I ever offloaded someone in this kind of fashion was out of Manila the day after 9/11 - the ground staff advised me that they were boarding someone who had been rejected by immigration. I asked why - she said, "false passport". I declined the offer to carry the guy as we didn't know who he was ........ the ground staff said, "yes, yes, we do" and showed me his passport
Seems rather extreme. The poor guy had only been refused entry - he'd flown in and done no harm on the inward flight, what made you think he would suddenly want to do so on the unplanned and unforeseen return? Or have miraculously acquired the means to do so between aircraft and the immigration desk, all airside?
What difference does it make if you think you don't know who he is? That doesn't affect the current risk does it?
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Seems rather extreme. The poor guy had only been refused entry - he'd flown in and done no harm on the inward flight
He's demonstrated criminal intent by traveling on a forged passport.
I'd have offloaded him.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 19:52
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He's demonstrated criminal intent by traveling on a forged passport.
I'd have offloaded him.
Yup, I'd not have been happy with him travelling in the back of my aircraft, unless he was appropriately extradited, i.e. escorted and restrained.
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Old 20th Jan 2016, 20:23
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Absolutely - once dishonesty is demonstrated - assume continuously dishonest.

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Old 20th Jan 2016, 20:25
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Surely the authorities had a right to say "Airline, you brought him in with bogus documents. Now you get him back out" (or else!)
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