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BREAKING NEWS: airliner missing within Egyptian FIR

Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Kulverstukas View Post
Bearing in mind that still not even decided which part (MAK, Egypt or Airbus) will read CVR/FDR this "leaks" seems bear zero information.
Seems to be done in Egypt:

A civil aviation source said only that Egyptian investigators aided by Russian and French experts had not yet finished examining the black boxes.
Flight recorders show crashed Russian jet not struck from outside: investigator | Reuters
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:13
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Thank you AOA. What is the possibility of some 'external force' having the ability to knock out just the tail section whilst the aircraft is in the cruise allowing the rest of fuselage to pancake inverted into the ground? I don't buy it.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:14
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:14
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"AFAIK, recent D check on the EI-ETJ was performed in 2014. The picture showing the potential airframe (rudder) damage was taken in 2015."

"Damage" appears in this photo from 2012, well before last D check



https://www.flickr.com/photos/qsyonr...n/photostream/
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:15
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Lonewolf, company shows profit last fiscal year (if not a very great one, still...) and I will not look at wages delay or court with RA about cost of ice detectors as any sign of good or bad maintenance. Company is mostly makes money on Turkish and Egyptian tours as part of holding and through touristic business is at decline now, this particular part is not so affected.

Martin, for me it seems more like logo sticker is partly ripped off (because of hydraulic eats some glue may be) than like any rudder damage.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:17
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Originally Posted by THR RED ACC View Post
Guys, what does at least one of the pilots do at the very beginning of every sector? A walk-around! We do not just walk around and see if the LH engine is there and the HS is still nailed on. We check the aircraft over thoroughly and in a low lit environment, we use a torch.

If the pilot walking around would have spotted a defect with the aircraft, then they would have not decided to fly...
There have been reports that the FO had complained to his daughter (who subsequently told his (ex-?)wife who has gone to the media) about the state of the aircraft that he was (apparently) being made to fly.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:21
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This "defect" is seen at any photo made from both sides of a/c both in old and new livery. For me it still looks like bad job on tail logo sticker.

https://www.planespotters.net/Aviati...php?tag=EI-ETJ
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:23
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Sorry - non-commercial pilot so all maintenance done by our own organisation. So I am wondering how maintenance is done on leased aircraft. Is the property of the leasing company so does that take responsibility for all heavy maintenance to protect its asset - or is this the responsibility of the airline.

Obviously I presume line maintenance is down to the leasing airline.

Who is responsible for insurance and hence who is concerned that it is a fit condition to be insured?

May be irrelevant but this aircraft does look a little unloved - and finally if salaries were not paid for2 months I am sure the CAA here would be very interested in whether the airline was in a fit state financially to continue operations. How does this work in Russia with their equivalent?
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:27
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There have been reports that the FO had complained to his daughter (who subsequently told his (ex-?)wife ...
There were also "reports" that pilots complains to ground service and that they ask for diverting because of engine malfunction etc...

There are also a lot of "reports" from people who flew this same plane recently and "it was almost broke in half in the air".

I mean, too much people now have ability to spread any BS worldwide, thanks to WWW.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:32
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a.The seats ( i have not seen a single one, and only one forgotten passenger-seat-cushion ). Which shows respect for the passengers. On some photos you can see part of the cabin seat-rails.
I saw one pic of seats, will try and find it again. The majority of the seats in the front section are likely crushed as the cabin landed inverted them destroyed by fire.

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b.The other are the long fuselage section(s) from behind the wing to the window before the last passenger door.
Broken and scattered over a wide area...

Picture source is https://twitter.com/Kosarev_RT/







c.The horizontal stabilizer and the rudder.
Haven't seen any pics of this yet

d.The APU.
APU pic here http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post9165352

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As there have been postings of recent photos of the aircraft, commenting on the surface marks visible at the base of the rudder, it may be noted that the aircraft seems to have had a repaint and different livery, including the rudder, applied some time in May/June.

May 2015 - old livery. Marks visible.

Photos: Airbus A321-231 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net


June 2015 -new livery, no marks visible

Photos: Airbus A321-231 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

October 2015, 10 days before accident flight, marks there again on the new livery

Photos: Airbus A321-231 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:36
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There are also a lot of "reports" from people who flew this same plane recently and "it was almost broke in half in the air"."

Every group of pilots always has a complainer. Not saying there weren't problems, but if it was not put in writing to superiors, or written up in the logs, it was all prop-wash.

What does the airline's Chief Pilot have to say about Maintenance and Engineering?
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:38
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Where's the rear cargo door?
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:45
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Some snippets of news (mainly from RT News and a few other sources) that add some further information:

Search area was expanded today to search for missing bodies (and presumably wreckage too).

Large parts of the rear fuselage were shown on new photos not seen before, a statement was made earlier today that several fuselage parts have been found (edit: Mudman just posted the photos as I was typing). Apart of the still missing (? at least no photos shown) horizontal stabilizer all major parts of the aircraft are accounted for.

An unnamed source in Cairo claims that no trace of explosives have yet been found on any part of the wreckage (for what an unnamed source is worth).

Nothing that changes anything that could have been deducted from the information available a day ago.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:47
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oleostrut, if there will be any even small doubt about maintenance quality and/or financial problems, Rosaviation will not hesitate to ground airline in 24h as it did before number of times.

Re "black boxes preliminary reading" leaks: officially declared that CVR/FDR will not be touched until all investigation teams - Egypt, Russian, French and German will not arrive to Ministry of Civil Aviation of Egypt.

andrasz, only reliable part about explosion version I can guess is that there is no traces of missile damaging elements found on debris. So it's why Rosaviation denies Kolavia statement that "plane was damaged from outside".
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:53
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Originally Posted by mitrosft View Post
Someone posted a pic of A321 dated May 2015 in SSH showing possible crack/damage on lower part of rudder ...





http://ura.ru/images/news/upload/new...2cf6402f9f.jpg
Not a crack, but picture does show the amount of staining from possibly longterm hydraulic/skydrol leaks

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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 15:58
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I think the marks are visible on all three photographs above.

Nevertheless this does seem to suggest something beyond a poorly affixed decal is going on.

Crack? Flex in the rudder cracking paint/decal? Weakness?

I know I' ll be shot down for saying this but this accident does not have the feel of terrorist attack/explosive on board but on some kind of structural or control issue.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 16:00
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Re: Heat damage before breakup?



That doesn't look like soot from burning fuel post-breakup, it looks like scorched paint from a fire inside the fuselage. Note how, towards the back, the paint was protected by the fuselage's internal structure.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 16:05
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Lockerbie debris

@ FE Hoppy

Light debris from the Pan Am 103 were found as far away as Newcastle -- probably some went into the North Sea. This was a function
of the breakup being in a strong Jetstream. The aircraft wreckage and heavier items fell in a relatively small area.
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Old 2nd Nov 2015, 16:06
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For any source in Egypt, named or unnamed, the word missing I credible ad all early reports have proven unfounded.
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