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Old 17th Aug 2015, 01:09
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Reports that an AMA (Associated Mission Aviation) aircraft taking part in the SAR effort may have located debris thought to be TGN267 near the "Oskop waterfall" in the Bintang Mountain district, approx. 7nm from Oksibil.

(Indonesian)
Pesawat AMA temukan puing diduga Trigana di Oksop - ANTARA News

(Google Translate)
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
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Old 17th Aug 2015, 02:06
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Is there a published approach to WAJO?
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In bad weather, the approach is quite a challenge
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDlvpHQoj6M
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@Flapwing

I believe small airports like Oksibil / Gunung Bintang are VFR only.
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An interactive map of the incident area has been created and can be found at Trigana Air Service flight TGN267

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Old 17th Aug 2015, 11:27
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Bad weather hampers bid to reach Indonesian plane crash site

This should produce an influx of willing local searchers on the land side
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$468,000.00 cash plus on plane for poor...

Indonesian plane debris seen; carried 54 people, gov?t cash - The Washington Post
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Old 17th Aug 2015, 11:58
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The spotted crash site was a bit west of the guestimated area, reported at 04 49.289 S 140 29.953 E, and an altitude of 8,300 ft. The chance of survivors is reported to be "very slim".

The SAR team consisting of National SAR members, police and military personnel plus local resident volunteers have been making their way to the site on foot.

However, the terrain is very difficult -- around 14 km hike in thick jungle, fog with visibility of less than 3 feet. The SAR team was not able to reach the crash site today and will resume the hike tomorrow.

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This is the crash site apparently;



There's apparently 1/2 million dollars in cash somewhere down there too, being carried for a family welfare fund according to local press.

Source: Twitter
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A curiously narrow impact area for an ATR. I'd have expected to see wider tree clipping from the wings in a wings-level CFIT.

Could they have seen the terrain at the last second, pulled up too hard, stalled and rolled to wings vertical and nose down - similar to the final moments of the videoed ATR that crashed in Taipei?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...5__849255b.jpg
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Old 17th Aug 2015, 18:56
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fog with visibility of less than 3 feet.

Somebody is exaggerating just a tad here.
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Old 17th Aug 2015, 19:44
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This may not be the first for that route. Ironically it was in August 2009 when a DH-6 Twin Otter went down in the Gap. Here is the link for further info.

http://kemhubri.dephub.go.id/knkt/nt...t%20PK-NVC.pdf
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Even without the fog in high altitude rainforest three foot is abou5 as far as you can see. The most extraordinary denseness of plant life, very beautiful but like no other environment on earth.
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"fog with visibility of less than 3 feet.

Somebody is exaggerating just a tad here."

I have been in fog with that visibility in Colorado at about 8,000 ft. Take 2 steps from the person walking with you, stop talking, and they can't find you.
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Looking at the chart kindly provided by Peekay4, it would seem that the plane should have turned east into the valley prior to the NDB if they were scud running
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curiously narrow impact area for an ATR
Those are big trees... Also the long thin wings of the ATR outboard of the engines would not make it past the first larger tree trunk, looks a straight and level into the hill to me. Another sad case of aluminium tube vs. granitocumulus.


Having hiked in similar environments I can speak from experience, in low light conditions the three feet is not an exaggeration... Weather in tropical mountains changes incredibly fast, I can easily envision a scenario where they committed to a visual descent into a valley, and found themselves in IMC halfway through without a good plan B.

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Crash site reached, no survivors

All 54 bodies found at Indonesian plane crash site, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times
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What's the bet the 6.5 billion rupiah (AUD$637,443) carried in the aircraft, will be found to have all been burnt, and totally destroyed in the crash?
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Latest report says authorities recovered the cash, somewhat singed, but there.
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