JAL 767 crew mistook Changi taxiway for runway
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Luckily I fly in the normal world, and the two times this happened to me, nothing was reported by anyone. Just the way it should be.
I prefer not to have any sort of STASI reporting non events to anyone.
A take off event on a taxiway is a reportable incident.
I prefer not to have any sort of STASI reporting non events to anyone.
A take off event on a taxiway is a reportable incident.
Had a situation once when very new to the 744. Hit the TOGA switches when not quite ( BGS) lined up. Aborted at very low speed due TO config warning. Taxi back to normal TO point and lined up properly. FC pax on flight deck so a little embarrassing but properly sorted with no further probs.
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Did they follow the greens to line up on EP instead of 20C perhaps?
Incident: JAL B763 at Singapore on Jul 12th 2015, rejected takeoff from taxiway
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Jul 29th 2015 11:15Z, last updated Wednesday, Jul 29th 2015 11:15Z
A JAL Japan Airlines Boeing 767-300, registration JA606J performing flight JL-38 from Singapore (Singapore) to Tokyo Haneda (Japan) with 198 passengers and 10 crew, had taxied from the gate to depart runway 20C via taxiway WA (parallel to runway 20R), NC2 (North Cross 2) and was turning onto taxiway EP parallel to runway 20L [and parallel to 20C which it is next to, 20L is over on the military side - Airbubba] at about 02:25L (18:25Z Jul 11th) when the crew received takeoff clearance for runway 20C. Tower controller noticed the aircraft was accelerating for takeoff on taxiway EP reaching about 25 knots over ground, instructed the crew to stop and taxi onto runway 20C. The aircraft departed runway 20C about 6 minutes later and reached Tokyo Haneda with a total delay of 20 minutes.
By Simon Hradecky, created Wednesday, Jul 29th 2015 11:15Z, last updated Wednesday, Jul 29th 2015 11:15Z
A JAL Japan Airlines Boeing 767-300, registration JA606J performing flight JL-38 from Singapore (Singapore) to Tokyo Haneda (Japan) with 198 passengers and 10 crew, had taxied from the gate to depart runway 20C via taxiway WA (parallel to runway 20R), NC2 (North Cross 2) and was turning onto taxiway EP parallel to runway 20L [and parallel to 20C which it is next to, 20L is over on the military side - Airbubba] at about 02:25L (18:25Z Jul 11th) when the crew received takeoff clearance for runway 20C. Tower controller noticed the aircraft was accelerating for takeoff on taxiway EP reaching about 25 knots over ground, instructed the crew to stop and taxi onto runway 20C. The aircraft departed runway 20C about 6 minutes later and reached Tokyo Haneda with a total delay of 20 minutes.
Incident: JAL B763 at Singapore on Jul 12th 2015, rejected takeoff from taxiway
An eerie resemblance (but with a better outcome) to Singapore 006 in Taipei - big jet, creeping along in the dark, makes a right turn, gets take-off clearance - and the crew thinks they're on the runway.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/1...-take-off.html
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Taxiway Departure Attempt Triggers Changes At JAL, Changi | MRO content from Aviation Week
No more "Follow the Greens" taxi clearances.
No more "Follow the Greens" taxi clearances.
Report:
http://www.mot.gov.sg/uploadedFiles/...l%20Report.pdf
Pardon? They planned it but got sent another way, which bamboozled the PF/FO. Surely you would be better not planning the taxiout until you get your route from ATC?
"It is recommended that the ATC consider verbalising the main taxi route in addition to the instruction to “taxi on the greens” in the taxi clearance."
http://www.mot.gov.sg/uploadedFiles/...l%20Report.pdf
Originally Posted by Report
It cannot be over-emphasised that thorough planning for taxi operations is essential for a safe operation.
No more "Follow the Greens" taxi clearances.
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They planned it but got sent another way, which bamboozled the PF/FO. Surely you would be better not planning the taxiout until you get your route from ATC?
Looking at the green and yellow lines on the report's diagram leads me to think they thought they were turning right onto the runway (as briefed and expected......C B ) but, clearly, they failed to follow their exact progress.
As for not reporting it........I believe ANA and JAL would be similar in their outlook and I would have no hesitation in submitting a report. There would be some form of investigation, as you would expect but I do not believe it would be punitive and I do not ever get the feeling that I'm going to be punished for making a mistake. This has all the marks of face-saving; nothing else, and despite all their talk about cultural changes to rid themselves of such outdated ways of thinking it's a VERY slow process and won't be happening any time soon (measured in centuries).