Flaperon washes up on Reunion Island
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While on the sea bed..... Sonar images from deep in the Indian Ocean led Australian search team to believe they have found the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines MH370 - but they can't get there until NOVEMBER because of bad weather | Daily Mail Online
Surely the recent washed up finds prove that what's in these images could be pretty much anything.
Surely the recent washed up finds prove that what's in these images could be pretty much anything.
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These are not "New" images and it is Class 1 objects, not Class 3 that are of most interest.
From ATSB MH370: Sonar Contacts Fact Sheet - 29 July 2015:
From ATSB MH370: Sonar Contacts Fact Sheet - 29 July 2015:
There are three classifications for sonar contacts which are identified during the course of the underwater search.
Classification 3 is assigned to sonar contacts that are of some interest as they stand out from their surroundings but have low probability of being significant to the search. The underwater search so far has identified more than 400 seabed features that have been classified as category 3.
Classification 3 is assigned to sonar contacts that are of some interest as they stand out from their surroundings but have low probability of being significant to the search. The underwater search so far has identified more than 400 seabed features that have been classified as category 3.
Two roughly cuboid objects of similar size. Sure don't look like bits of fuselage. They also look too square for shipping containers.
However it is hard to interpret these images without knowing a bit more about the acquisition. Remember they are sonar images - not visual images.
There are a number of different processing techniques that can be used to improve images.
The shadows (dark areas to the right of the objects) are beside rather than behind the objects. This suggests some form of bistatic system (i.e. separate transmitter and receiver). The transmitter is off to the left while the receiver appears almost above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistat...dectection.png
Note also the two shadows differ slightly in orientation, but there are a number of possible explanations for this.
One thing is sure. If they are lightweight aircraft containers, there is not a lot of fragmentation or deformation present.
However it is hard to interpret these images without knowing a bit more about the acquisition. Remember they are sonar images - not visual images.
There are a number of different processing techniques that can be used to improve images.
The shadows (dark areas to the right of the objects) are beside rather than behind the objects. This suggests some form of bistatic system (i.e. separate transmitter and receiver). The transmitter is off to the left while the receiver appears almost above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistat...dectection.png
Note also the two shadows differ slightly in orientation, but there are a number of possible explanations for this.
One thing is sure. If they are lightweight aircraft containers, there is not a lot of fragmentation or deformation present.
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JACC: flaperon "in all probability" came from MH370
KUALA LUMPUR: Finally, the Australian Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) has confirmed that the flaperon found on Reunion Island is from Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370.
"Subsequent examination has indicated that in all probability, the wreckage, a wing part known as a flaperon, was from MH370," said JACC in a statement on Wednesday.
"Subsequent examination has indicated that in all probability, the wreckage, a wing part known as a flaperon, was from MH370," said JACC in a statement on Wednesday.
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Hi,
Only the french authorities can confirm this
It's no yet confirmation from them so far !
KUALA LUMPUR: Finally, the Australian Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) has confirmed that the flaperon found on Reunion Island is from Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370.
It's no yet confirmation from them so far !
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Not necessarily, French may never confirm nor deny it, if they are looking for serial numbers, etc. and there are none then what remains is just a conjecture or best guess. Actually Australians stated very carefully "in all probability this flapperon .... ", they may never be any 100% positive proof. Unless you believe that someone on purpose put this piece there on the beach 99.99% is good enough and this is exactly what Australians (and Malaysian PM) are saying.
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The engines?
Which is the likelihood to have two identical objects on the Indian Ocean seabed next to each other? How about the shape, the same orientation and the two colors for two types of materials (fan+compressor vs turbine+nozzle)?
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I think your'e onto something! Didn't even notice that darker solid until you pointed it out there,thought they were just shadows. 
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Which is the likelihood to have two identical objects on the Indian Ocean seabed next to each other?
As most of such debris would be stuff accidentally or intentionally dumped from ships, the likelihood is pretty high.
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MH370: Malaysia publishes new theory
Malaysia's government newsagency has published a new theory suggesting Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 glided downwards and landed with soft impact on the southern Indian Ocean.
The report raises the possibility that one or more of the 239 people on board were still alive when the Boeing 777 ditched into the ocean after flying for more than seven hours off course......................
Malaysia's government newsagency has published a new theory suggesting Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 glided downwards and landed with soft impact on the southern Indian Ocean.
The report raises the possibility that one or more of the 239 people on board were still alive when the Boeing 777 ditched into the ocean after flying for more than seven hours off course......................
ATSB Chief Commisioner Martin Dolan said images published by the Daily Mail overnight were several months old and were classified ‘Category Three’ — or highly unlikely to be associated with an aircraft debris field.
“The underwater search so far has identified more than 400 seabed features that have been classified as category three,” Mr Dolan said. “It’s all been eliminated.”
He said there were no plans to return to those sites for a “closer look” in November when conditions improved.
Only two items had been classified as category one — or likely to be associated with an aircraft debris field — and they had been ruled out after further investigation found they were part of an uncharted shipwreck.
Fugro Discovery arrived back at the search site yesterday to resume work scouring the ocean floor.
So far just over half the 120,000 square kilometre priority search zone has been scanned — or an area the size of Tasmania.
“The underwater search so far has identified more than 400 seabed features that have been classified as category three,” Mr Dolan said. “It’s all been eliminated.”
He said there were no plans to return to those sites for a “closer look” in November when conditions improved.
Only two items had been classified as category one — or likely to be associated with an aircraft debris field — and they had been ruled out after further investigation found they were part of an uncharted shipwreck.
Fugro Discovery arrived back at the search site yesterday to resume work scouring the ocean floor.
So far just over half the 120,000 square kilometre priority search zone has been scanned — or an area the size of Tasmania.
MH370 intact: Plane did not break apart, according to reports
The guy may well be a satcoms expert, but he's operating way outside his comfort zone if he thinks that makes him an accident investigator or an oceanographer:
"If MH370 had crashed with a really hard impact, we would have seen small pieces of debris floating on the sea immediately after that. Furthermore, the flaperon that was recovered (from Reunion Island) wouldn’t have been in one piece…we would have only seen bits and pieces of it"
"One cannot underestimate the power of the ocean current…recently, a Russian woman who was considered one of the greatest free divers of all time failed to surface after a dive in the Mediterranean and she is feared to have encountered a strong underwater current"
MH370 sank almost in one piece, expert claims | Free Malaysia Today
"If MH370 had crashed with a really hard impact, we would have seen small pieces of debris floating on the sea immediately after that. Furthermore, the flaperon that was recovered (from Reunion Island) wouldn’t have been in one piece…we would have only seen bits and pieces of it"
"One cannot underestimate the power of the ocean current…recently, a Russian woman who was considered one of the greatest free divers of all time failed to surface after a dive in the Mediterranean and she is feared to have encountered a strong underwater current"
MH370 sank almost in one piece, expert claims | Free Malaysia Today
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"The report raises the possibility that one or more of the 239 people on board were still alive when the Boeing 777 ditched into the ocean after flying for more than seven hours off course......................
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In that case, why no rafts and ELTs?
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In that case, why no rafts and ELTs?
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Indeed. It would seem that Lindsay Murdoch from The Sydney Morning Herald has forgotten that this theory would only raise the chances of survival if a reduction in altitude to breathable air occurred.
I'd like to see him try and hop into a raft after being hypoxic for 7 hours.....
I'd like to see him try and hop into a raft after being hypoxic for 7 hours.....
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"The report raises the possibility that one or more of the 239 people on board were still alive when the Boeing 777 ditched into the ocean after flying for more than seven hours off course......................
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In that case, why no rafts and ELTs?
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In that case, why no rafts and ELTs?
If that one person wanted to 'go down with the ship' there would be no life rafts etc.
ELTs have a close on 100% failure record which the industry seems to have willingly accepted.
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"someone who had been doing regular practice at landings at sea level in the Indian Ocean on his home 777 sim? "
What is the difference between landings at sea level in the Indian Ocean and landings anywhere else? Landing with both engines flamed out may make difference. Did he practice those?
What is the difference between landings at sea level in the Indian Ocean and landings anywhere else? Landing with both engines flamed out may make difference. Did he practice those?