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Flaperon washes up on Reunion Island

Old 31st Jul 2015, 02:16
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fish some interesting info

As per Journal de l'Ile de la Reunion the barnacles attached to the flaperon appear to be around one year old . But, barnacles are exclusively marine and tend to live in typically erosive settings, shallow and tidal waters(for one year?!...)
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 02:21
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Just out of curiosity.

If say, no other identification serial numbers was located on this piece of wreckage. And the only way would be to analyse the paint. What effect, if any would salt water have on the paint work?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 02:25
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Boats are usually painted and or anti-fouled and their paint doesn't fall off in the water after a year or even two so the paint should be in great condition, particularly if on composite material. Aluminium boats are also painted and they survive for a long time before anything goes too bad so it's probably in good shape.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 02:35
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Apart of paint analysis, the flaperon assy can be related to a specific production tail number by an NCR (non-conformity report, an ovesized hi-lite as example)
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Damage analysis

If this is the Flaperon from MH370 then I believe we will end up with a reasonable idea of how the plane entered the water. By looking at the damage to the skin and paint, and the direction at which the material around the mounts were stressed and torn off they should be able to get a idea of the forces it was exposed to. I think at the very least they will be able to decide if the flaperon was extended and an attempted landing was made or the plane made an uncontrolled impact be that vertical or otherwise. I don't think we should underestimate the value of finding just this one piece.
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Ass-Covering

Malaysia is "almost certain" that plane debris found on Réunion Island in the Indian Ocean is from a Boeing 777
"A Boeing..." rather than "Their Boeing."

Is there more than ONE missing 777?

This sort of attempt at distancing themselves will only result in more bad will and loss of business.
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Although it has not been officially confirmed, it seems very likely we have the first piece of debris from MH370. Unofficial sources have stated it is from MH370. Remember that unofficial sources correctly informed WSJ of the existence of Inmarsat data.

I doubt it is going to take 3 days to get to France - more likely buying everyone a few days before the media starts pushing for a statement. I would expect official confirmation next week.

Some conspiracy people are suggesting that it couldn't float for 16 months and must have been "planted" to be found and support the SIO location. I think we can rule that out - all it would take would be for one piece of forensic analysis to be inconsistent, and there would be a major problem. Better no evidence than incorrect evidence.

So I think this safely puts away the northern arc scenario, the somewhere in China scenario, the Maldives, and Diego Garcia.

It came down in the IO. The fact nothing has been found further north (with more shores to wash up on and more maritime traffic) supports a location well south in the IO.

Unless we find the hull, we won't know a lot more. But the south IO does fit with this finding, and does fit with the Inmarsat data (not withstanding the limitations of this data).

There are a number of plausible explanations. All of these have some inconsistencies and oddities. Of the explanations however, I still favour a deliberate act by someone - most likely involving the death of the person responsible.

The unavoidable fact remains that the human mind is now far more fallible (probably by a couple of orders of magnitude) than the technology.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 03:31
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"A Boeing..." rather than "Their Boeing."

Is there more than ONE missing 777?

This sort of attempt at distancing themselves will only result in more bad will and loss of business.
What exactly do you want them to say? They have to wait until French authorities, Boeing, and presumably Malaysian Airlines confirm the identity.

There is "knowing." And there is "officially and publicly stating."
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 05:19
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From news this morning : The "planting evidence" theory can be disregarded as local botanists studied the barnacles attached to the flaperon.This perticular type typically grows on floating debris (normally wood) and the rate of growth is known and from this they declared that the piece was floating from a year up to a year an half.
The IO surface currents alo are consistant with the trip from West coast of Australia to Reunion , as is the duration of the journey (around 18 months ).

So it looks more and more like a match.
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You can't make this stuff up ....

An emergency evacuation is under way on the south-eastern side of La Reunion island, where the World Heritage-listed volcano, Le Piton de la Fournaise has recorded unusual seismic activity.

Scientists at island’s volcanic observatory, the OVPF, warned an eruption was “imminent and probable”.

Up to 10 Malaysian aviation experts reportedly arrived at La Reunion yesterday morning only to be evacuated almost immediately.

La Réunion: Le Piton de la Fournaise placé en alerte «éruption probable» - News Monde: Afrique - tdg.ch

A French Police Helicopter that was searching for debris along the coastline has also been grounded
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With just 1 flaperon is it possible (remembering it has lived in a washing machine for about 18 months) to determine if it was operating as a flap or a aileron at the time it departed the aircraft?


A previous post indicated that this composite item did not appear from photos to have been down to deep depths due to honey comb structure.

Also worth noting it is very hard to do a level landing on the high seas in a ditch.

A few more airframe bits would be nice.
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But, barnacles are exclusively marine and tend to live in typically erosive settings, shallow and tidal waters(for one year?!...)
That was the first point I thought about as well, looking at all the marine lifeforms that has settled around the edges (barnacles, mussles, whatsoever) seems to be there for a while, but does not live in the open ocean, but in coastal waters. There are no algae on the surfaces, which you may expect in open water. I would imagine this part was floating around near the coast for a while. Anyway, maybe 10 of the 17 months are enough to travel the distance. If the part was afloat, a single cyclon may have moved if by 200 km in a single day, so it may have made the journey much faster than the sea current.
This piece will definitely not help to locate the wreakage, but it may point to a likely scenario how the flight ended. So far it does definitely not look like a high speed impact of an intact airplane. So either it points to an inflight breakup (loss of control at altitude when the A/P was lost together with all electric power once the engines stopped) with the flaperon falling from the sky as a single piece, or a low speed ditching.

Experts will tell.
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Without in any way wishing to cause offence or distress - given the dark, cold and pressure on the abyssal plain... what is likely to be left of human remains after this period of time if they locate the hull?
I had assumed that all soft tissue would be gone by now, but have seen some online references to variance in decay due to the preservative effects of the environment.
Would they be able to extract DNA from skeletal remains?
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Without going into gruesome specifics, yes. BEA was able to confirm which pilot was sitting where in AF447.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 07:35
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Originally Posted by unworry
per L'info à La Réunion

here's a clearer picture of the case:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLJcILpW8AAIstc.jpg:large
Can't see any barnacles or other evidence of it being n the ocean for 16 months.
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Air spaces

How do they keep rainwater out of air spaces in components, and still allow them to breath?
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They are called drain holes Bill, they work via gravity and are located as required in items and components.

Ever thrown a bottle in the ocean with no cap? how many sink to the ocean floor?
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I think at the very least they will be able to decide if the flaperon was extended and an attempted landing was made.
Equally it and other pieces of the airframe may have detached during an uncontrolled high speed descent exceeding VMO/MMO, which could explain why little debris was ever found in the search area.
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Surely the search team are now looking for further debris in a 100 mile radius of the island? If there was indeed a controlled impact into the water, it is very likely that there would have been many buoyant items afloat (both a/c parts and from potential evacuation). There has got to be a strong chance that some these items have made their way to a similar area???

If nothing further is found, lets be honest, there is still a very slim chance of finding the remainder of the fuselage - 18 months is such a long time!
Lets hope something productive comes from this crucial find!

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From Le Monde newspaper, 31/07/2015

"...Si la Malaisie et l’Australie ont réclamé avec insistance le rapatriement de cette pièce, la France a catégoriquement refusé."

Translation: France has categorically refused to give over the piece (flaperon) despite Malaysia and Australia insisting that it be handed over to them.

The geo-politics of ocean currents!
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