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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:25
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LADY2013 - I entirely agree with you, but practicalities are going to be very difficult indeed!
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:25
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- in the "old days", most of the time, the road to an airline jet cockpit was long. Prior to landing the big airline job most pilots flew in all manner of organisations over many years. You built up a reputation in the industry/military, people knew you, a trail if you like, a history - Chief Pilots etc could get the "gen" on you pretty quickly. A "good egg", "reliable", "a good pair of hands", etc etc.
That might have been true in the USA, it certainly wasn't in europe. Closest to the US might have been the UK, but even there BA had their flight school and nowadays their future pilot program, Lufthansa had their own flightschool since flying was allowed again after WWII in germany and only hired non-cadets if their demand was bigger than the supply of cadets.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:26
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"Officials confirmed to the AP and AFP news agencies that recordings showed that one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit before the crash."

Germanwings plane crash live: Flight 9525 pilot 'locked out of cockpit' of A320 downed in France - Europe - World - The Independent
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:27
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Maximum possible A320 descent rate?

This may have already been answered through the thread (the pages keep piling up!)

1. If the PF held the sidestick pitch down to max, then I'm guessing the aircraft would eventually reach a point where the A320's speed protection would kick in and pitch and speed stabilize at a sort of nose-down equilibrium @ max permitted speed?

2. Would any Bus pilots here be able to comment on whether the final descent profile/speed of Flight 9525 fits with a pilot holding the nose down at the speed protection limit?

3. Could a pilot descend faster in an A320 by manually switching flight control modes?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Denti
That might have been true in the USA, it certainly wasn't in europe. Closest to the US might have been the UK, but even there BA had their flight school and nowadays their future pilot program, Lufthansa had their own flightschool since flying was allowed again after WWII in germany and only hired non-cadets if their demand was bigger than the supply of cadets.
The problem is 20+ years ago there was a proper selection process of cadets, where 1 in 5000 would be selected. Now the cadet is the one with the mum who can pay. It is an unacceptable system.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:30
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Nock-----my question to you is why would you need to? Surely flying at VMO with idle thrust would be sufficient to do whatever nasty cr** you were planning.

Hit the ground at 330 KIAS 3000 fpm is just as bad as 350 KIAS at 4000 fpm

Doesn't matter does it, game over as you've seen.

The data suggests they were doing around 330 KIAS at 3,000 fpm.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:34
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The problem is 20+ years ago there was a proper selection process of cadets, where 1 in 5000 would be selected. Now the cadet is the one with the mum who can pay. It is an unacceptable system.
Certainly not the case at Lufthansa (Germanwings). They still have that selection process going and make it in turn affordable for everyone to train with them. As do the other big carriers with their own flight school. And after the selection process the flight training is another selection process as well.

If you fly for the likes of Lion Air (which apparently you do according to your posts) then your perspective might be a bit bleak, but all is not lost in other parts of the world.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:35
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German prosecutor has confirmed only one pilot was in the cockpit according to BBC News based on a Reuters source
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:35
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There is a simple modification which would alleviate the lockout problem.
The LOCK function should only be enabled when both seats are occupied.

This seems to be a good balance between the terrorist risk and the pilot lockout risk.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:36
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We now have nearly 1200 posts on this tread in a very short time, all speculation.
What concerns me is the fact that very few of the many posting here are prepared to give us any qualification information in their public profiles.

The number of guesses would be massively reduced if only the professionals were allowed to comment. Then we might get some constructive comment.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:37
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If the rumours prove valid & unlawful interference the cause of this disaster , it will prove to be the last straw for piloting.

People will not trust pilots & after a number of similar cases , external control will prove to be less of a risk .

The technology is already there & manufacturers along with airlines more than happy to cut out the perceived weak link.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:38
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Would any Bus pilots here be able to comment on whether the final descent profile/speed of Flight 9525 fits with a pilot holding the nose down at the speed protection limit?
It has been repeatedly pointed out earlier the observed descent rate was about half that given in the FCTM for an emergency descent profile (inc Speedbrake)
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:38
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kungfu panda You have no idea what you're talking about. 20+ years ago that 1 person in 5000 was some senior training Captains kid. The supply and demand is different now clearly and if there were a shortage of pilots the paying for ratings would disappear. I have to point out though that paying for ratings doesn't imply that you're guaranteed to pass it. Implying that those who do pay for ratings, had their parents front the bill is again just another example of your ignorance, and lack of understanding in the system - and so far off topic it barely warrants a reply.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:40
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German newspaper BILD reports that the Prosecutor General in Düsseldorf has confirmed to them that according to preliminary results of investigation, only one pilot was present in the cockpit.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:40
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Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek
There is a simple modification which would alleviate the lockout problem.
The LOCK function should only be enabled when both seats are occupied.

This seems to be a good balance between the terrorist risk and the pilot lockout risk.
Sorry, how would you manage this scenario.

PNF goes to toilet. About to open door passenger attempts to enter cockpit as well.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:42
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Kulverstukas: the final paragraph of the full article, (not the headings).
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:44
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The French prosecutor is confirming the earlier media reports about the sequence of events.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:44
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Did the French prosecutor just give us the cause? FO selecting a descend and keeping the Captain out, flying it in the ground without saying a word.

Pilot suicide taking the rest with him, selfish bugger
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:44
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French authorities saying FO was on flight deck and commanded the plane do start descent...
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 11:45
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Co-pilot crashed the aircraft

This is the official statement by "Procurer de Marseille" during the press conference now under way.
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