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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 26th Mar 2015, 00:57
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Originally Posted by squak7700
If it s true that one pilot is lockout....
The pilot inside incap......hands and/or body push sidestick full forward causing the dive
otherwise intentional CFIT..
The autopilot will happily fly at FL380 till fuel starvation..
Not even close to an accurate assumption. I will not elaborate here.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:00
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If this is true about the other pilot being locked out then it can only really be an intentional act. If the remaining pilot had a heart attack or similar surely you can just open the cockpit door by other means. Only time this wouldn't work would be if the pilot left inside was over-riding that request. Have we actually been given any details on the FO?? I have seem a bit of detail about the Captain but not the FO.

I hope this turns out to be bad info, you can imagine the change in SOP's coming our way if this turns out to be an intentional act. Once again, thoughts to all involved, it would have been a terrifying 8 minutes for all on board if this was deliberate.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:09
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Talk relating to door systems should be avoided.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:12
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CNN just gave a lecture on door lock operation complete with pictures. No one here should follow suit.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:15
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Exactly. For us who actually work on the aircraft know about cockpit doors. This is a public forum and I really don't think that discussions about them should be taking place
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:15
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Have we been told any information at all about the First Officer, or just about the Captain?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:16
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The non professional pilot comments on this thread are exasperating... Can we just leave it to the professionals please? A********.net is awaiting the rest of you.
Back before Danny sold PPRuNe and it was more of a professional pilots rumour network we had some memorable vigorous discussions of possible pilot suicide scenarios.

I remember reading the possible cause of the MI 185 crash here long before the reports of the Captain's disciplinary record and financial deficits surfaced in the media. The original thread about the crash seems to be lost to one of the many server crashes here around Y2K. I was on PPRuNe when it was an e-mail list and got my 'seniority' reset a couple of times. As Ignition Override observed, kinda like the airline business I suppose.

Crockett lost family members in the Silk Air mishap and pursued legal action for years, here's one of his threads from 2001:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...o-not-get.html

Similarly, the cause of the SU 990 crash was hotly debated by those of us who are in the business, for example:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...90-report.html

As I mentioned in the thread above, I was earlier assured on PPRuNe that SU 990 wasn't a suicide because Muslims consider suicide haram.

The FX 705 would be hijacker was an acquaintance of mine back in the day. He was a nut case in my prior judgment and, like one of the pilots in both MI 185 and SU 990, had significant disciplinary issues, unlike most of us I must add.

Pilot suicide and terrorist actions are still somewhat taboo subjects here but as a professional pilot I know they have both brought down airliners in the past.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:16
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remember the jet blue pilot nut job, and it was a result of an odd diet supplement?

can someone just SNAP?

or have evil intention and just be presented with opportunity?

would be odd if the copilot was not a german national.

THERE have been heart attacks in the plane but even during th elanding the pilot remained alive
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:20
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How damaging can cost cutting become???

Question?
Was the PIC when the other was locked out?
The CP or FO?
The remaining PIC a member of Pilots’ union Vereinigung Cockpit (VC)?
Could this be a most nefarious form of sending a message to LH Management that cutting the new hire pay structure and 55 retiree's pensions?
The Pilot strikes cost Lufthansa more than €200-million ($213-million) in lost operating profit last year.
Experience so far shows that bookings drop sharply after a strike is announced, stay low for a couple of days and then recover fairly quickly.
If now the member pilots are falling under scrutiny, then the losses for LH will just become harder to recover from.

So for the PIC, get up, activate the physical deadlocks and then you are all alone until AB meets Alpine granite or the 7 runs out of fuel north of Antarctica!

No doubt there will be a trail leading up to this!

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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:21
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remember the jet blue pilot nut job, and it was a result of an odd diet supplement?
No, some psychiatrist stated it was result of sleep deprivation. Do I believe it, hell no. The guy simply went nuts for unexplained reason - apparently he went nuts again in the hospital later on. Why do we have to pretend we always must find explanation why someone goes crazy.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:22
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Originally Posted by PrivtPilotRadarTech
I'm a lowly private pilot, so I can't judge if you know your stuff- but if you do, that's most interesting.
Current Airbus pilot. Been in the industry for many years. This is the last outcome, if confirmed, that you would want as a pilot.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:33
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The door issue was recently a bit of a curiosity for me, as just having flown some extensively long legs.
During pilot breaks/rotation, a crew member stood in the doorway the entire time, and did not allow the door to close.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:34
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OK, question: most of my time was in military heavies and in those, the idea that you could hear someone tapping on a door in flight is a non-starter. Are A320s that much quieter? I just wonder if the CVR could really pick the sound up.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:35
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I am a A320 Captain for a UK operator.

Whilst not wanting to discuss cockpit door procedures, I think it should be clear to those reading this thread that it requires a conscious person and a deliberate action of someone inside the flight deck to lock someone out and prevent entry to the flight deck.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:35
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I'll be ashamed to be an airline pilot if this is what it is purporting to be....

Gobsmacked is an understatement.

I suppose we are pretty close to finally installing that dog in the cockpit hey
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:38
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Yes the cockpit is really that quiet.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:40
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And yes. The CVR will definitely pick up the sounds associated with requests for access on the cockpit door.

In the right phase of flight it will pick up the forward lav flushing.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:40
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At 38K, it's very quiet in the 320. Keep in mind a light knock picked up by the CAM isn't necessarily the same volume in situ.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:42
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OK, question: most of my time was in military heavies and in those, the idea that you could hear someone tapping on a door in flight is a non-starter. Are A320s that much quieter? I just wonder if the CVR could really pick the sound up.
I seem to remember on UAL93 the sound of the attempts by persons external to the hijacked FD could be heard distinctly on the CVR, and that was a Boeing.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 01:42
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OK, question: most of my time was in military heavies and in those, the idea that you could hear someone tapping on a door in flight is a non-starter. Are A320s that much quieter? I just wonder if the CVR could really pick the sound up.
The area mic is very sensitive. And any other mic that is hot, like ICS, will record anything it picks up as well on its own track.
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