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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 6th May 2015, 14:18
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Is it not possible that rather than practising he was going to crash the aircraft but could not go through with it?
This was my thought too.
The change of attitude in his responses to an arrival brief that was noted right back at the beginning of the thread may have been when he decided to actually do it.

These were the first two flights after his period off duty during which it seems his girlfriend/fiancee had said she would leave.
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Old 6th May 2015, 14:45
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Is it also possible that this captain had a habit of leaving the cockpit? Is it normal to do so on both legs of a short trip?
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:11
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Is it normal to do so on both legs of a short trip?
Yes - perfectly normal
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:12
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Is it also possible that this captain had a habit of leaving the cockpit? Is it normal to do so on both legs of a short trip?
Hardly a question of habit or being "normal" but more one of when nature required it, least that's how it worked for me in 5 years of budget airline operation.
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:31
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I trust that the naysayers, the conspiracy theorists, the "here they go blaming the pilot again" brigade have sufficient evidence that they are wrong by now?

Looks like a duck ..........
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:36
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Mode s enhanced transmits selected alt. You don't need full ADS-B.

If the ground station is equipped it will be flagged on the display in amber after a delay.
There used to be a nice video showing this on Maastricht website but I can't find it now.

here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQK...Y&spfreload=10
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Old 6th May 2015, 15:56
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These were the first two flights after his period off duty during which it seems his girlfriend/fiancee had said she would leave.
Actually they weren't. The day before he did a ferry flight to berlin schönefeld and deadhead back to DUS.
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Old 6th May 2015, 16:01
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Mode s enhanced transmits selected alt. You don't need full ADS-B.
Thanks for that clarification and the video link.

So, was the altitude knob twiddling on the earlier sector indeed a test of whether the controllers would see the altitude selection?

Like a lot of us, I've flown in that airspace for years and still don't know much about what is displayed at the ATC positions.
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Old 6th May 2015, 17:12
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I thought I read somewhere that the Captain never left the Flight Deck on the previous leg. I guess I was mistaken.
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Old 6th May 2015, 18:59
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Tend to agree with DB64 there too.

Can't imagine what must be going through the mind (well, I can actually ) of anyone who was a passenger on the Southbound sector.
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Old 6th May 2015, 20:15
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I'm (easily) confused. Did you mean, "northbound"?
No, the reference is to "what must be going through the mind [present tense] of anyone who was a passenger" on the DUS-BCN leg that day, now that it emerges that Lubitz may have used that flight to rehearse the procedure that subsequently led to the death of all on board the return leg.
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Old 6th May 2015, 21:11
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It will be interesting to learn if he was alone at any point on the the fd on the ferry flight. If so, the choice to intentionally cfit with passengers seems rather clear, and moves the murders from an act of opportunity to one of choice.
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Old 6th May 2015, 21:49
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There is a serious issue of any pilot in a two pilot crew leaving the cockpit during climb or descent. It should only occur in cruise as there is nobody to monitor the cleared inputs. This is sub standard airmanship.

On the fatal leg the Capt did not try to get back in until 5 mins after the fatal descent had began. It indicates that he considered this as normal practice. He was out of his seat on both legs when the descent began.
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Old 6th May 2015, 22:37
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If it's now perfectly normal to have only a single pilot self-monitoring during major changes of vertical flightpath, then safety has eroded considerably.
It's not difficult to organise your toilet breaks before TOD.
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Old 6th May 2015, 23:14
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Whilst I agree ideally a comfort break should be timed to be completed prior to TOD this does not preclude many routes, certainly in Europe, where ATC might require a level change well before the "normal" TOD.
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Old 7th May 2015, 00:43
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On the fatal leg the Capt did not try to get back in until 5 mins after the fatal descent had began. It indicates that he considered this as normal practice. He was out of his seat on both legs when the descent began.
Bit unfair...he had no idea what was to follow the second time.
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Old 7th May 2015, 05:04
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As far as the Captain leaving the cockpit, I can certainly tell you that in the US, unless there was a significant ground hold delay after leaving the gate, it would be a small minority of flights of that length where a member of the crew would leave the cockpit. The fact that the Captain left the cockpit so soon after departure would be most unusual in the USA.
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Old 7th May 2015, 05:27
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Maybe the FO slipped something into the Captains Coffee to ensure that the Captain needed to go out.

Whilst I agree that under normal circumstances one wouldn't leave the flight deck during climb or descent if I had a stomach issue I would try and leave it at close to TOD as possible as I would't want to have a desperate need whilst on final approach.

Sometimes the bodies needs overrule the best laid plans.
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Old 7th May 2015, 06:14
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If it's now perfectly normal to have only a single pilot self-monitoring during major changes of vertical flightpath, then safety has eroded considerably.
It's not difficult to organise your toilet breaks before TOD.
Which he did, he went to the loo right after reaching TOC. However, in europe there might be numerous level changes for many different reasons during the normal cruise portion of the flight. Some even having to do with how the company filed the flight plan. Had a flight on that routing lately and there were five planned cruise climbs/descends on the ATC flight plan.

As far as the Captain leaving the cockpit, I can certainly tell you that in the US, unless there was a significant ground hold delay after leaving the gate, it would be a small minority of flights of that length where a member of the crew would leave the cockpit. The fact that the Captain left the cockpit so soon after departure would be most unusual in the USA.
Which might have to do with the hassle of the two person rule, which still isn't mandatory in europe, although most airlines did implement it by now. I have since seen colleagues severely dehydrating as they want to reduce their loo breaks during flight. Something that is not really conductive to top physical and mental performance either.
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Old 7th May 2015, 09:52
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Is it not possible that rather than practising he was going to crash the aircraft but could not go through with it?
Fortunate the Dusseldorf to Barcelona track of that day was to the right of the four nuclear power stations along the Rhone valley. Indeed, from the crash site to Cruas nuclear power station it is only 79 nautical miles.

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