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Old 29th Dec 2014, 14:34
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fa2fi, to put things into perspective, I have seen multiple footage of emergency landings and ditchings since 1956. No FR24 then. The media just had other ways of obtaining information in those days.
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Well done to the Crew of VS 43..must have been a worrying few hours for them
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:01
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VS43

BBC just showed the landing. Great job by the crew. Definitely a positive touchdown on the LH side!
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:06
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Not sure that I see the link between being over 60 and being useless. If and when Learmount speaks rubbish, then criticise and rebuff him intellectually and technically, but kindly refrain from slagging off someone who oft times speaks a lot of common sense just because he is over an arbitrary age limit set by you.
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:10
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BBC website

People were tracking the seemingly erratic movements of the plane in real time via smartphone apps like FlightRadar24, which collects radar data. Its website was down because of the volume of users.

people were tracking erratic movements on a site that was down?
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:14
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Keep calm people. Irrespective of our opinions on the sad state of the media, in this case all they can show are calm professionals at work, perfectly executing a recovery and bringing 400+ folks safely home.

For me they can re-run this all day long - the public will be, (for a brief while), more respectful of what it takes to keep them safe, and this is a positive fillip for all people in this industry.

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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:19
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Closeup

This from Twitter user Andrey ‏@AndreyIontchev

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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:28
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Regarding press coverage, I'm surprised the Mediterranean ferry fire didn't get more attention. Potentially a much more sticky situation developing in darkness. Respect to all those who had obviously planned though the night to move in at dawn.
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:30
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Well Done to all the Virgin Crew,
A safe outcome and the passengers already praising all the crew for a non-normal well handled. Great Job !


and to the broadcasters?

the Aircraft is a 777? Really?
it was the left wheel? Really?
belly flops on Runways? Really?


obviously there is NO quality control with information being broadcast these days....

Wake up Sky News, just not good enough !
emotional reporting as opposed to factual....
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:32
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Hats off to Virgin Crew and thank God it ended safe and well.
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:38
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For those saying it is sitting on it's engines

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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:39
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Excellent work from the flight crew!

I think this just goes to show the speed of social media and how fast news spreads around the internet and onto our TV screens.

I've found this video which shows the landing of the aircraft (from BBC News).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWnNSlIjzU

Once again, very glad everything has turned out good!
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:41
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Listing a bit?
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 15:41
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Well nothing is getting into Gatwick as aircraft are diverting to other airports
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 16:00
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When the Beeb said it was to be a "non-standard landing procedure" I thought it would land upside down to save the u/c....

Many congrats to the crew who earned their whole life's pay in one day. The pax have them to be very grateful for.
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 16:00
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VS43 Landing

Great Photo RP122. Shame they couldn't have uploaded it to the Capt.
Looks like Body Gears came down OK on Hydraulics when selected down as U/C Doors are up and faired. System 1 from memory.
Wing Gears poss. dropped manually as L & R Doors are still down and not stowed. System 4 from memory. Looks as though the R/H Wing Gear has fouled on it's Gear Door and hung up. Most likely the Door didn't clear the down coming wheel. There is a bumper pad that the wheel should contact and push it out of the way on a manual drop, but with a roll on or maybe flight loads, it baulked the full drop of the door and maybe caught the Gear.
Should be able to Tow once the Pax are off. Depends on who is managing the project there at the moment and the level of drama.
We have dropped the nitrogen px out of the L/H Wing Oleo a little in the past and it should level up OK. Can be towed gently in that condition if not too much fuel on and balanced in the Tanks.
Nice landing and good job by the Crew I would say.
Saved a lot more damage...

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Old 29th Dec 2014, 16:11
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It will be interesting to hear what caused the problem. Presumably the plane returned because the gear did not retract properly after takeoff. Subsequently the right wing gear did not extend properly. Probably fouled on a gear door.

The 747 undercarriage system has a lock that stops the gear lever from being raised. The lock will clear when the main gear is tilted and the air/ground switches are happy it is in the air with the steerable body gear aligned.The flight crew are able to override the lock once airborne if it does not release as a way of getting the gear up. I seem to remember they suggested using a pen to move the latch to stop your finger getting trapped. However if the gear are not in the correct position when manually overriding the lock and raising the gear this can lead to the gear jamming and graunching against the gear doors. Interesting to know if the crew had to override the gear lock once airborne.

Apart from the Pan Am incident in SFO Where the aircraft was badly damaged by hitting the opposite end light stanchions on takeoff jamming some of the gear I cannot remember any other incident where a 747 has failed to get a main gear down. At least it did not sit on its tail like the Pan Am.

Does anyone know of any other incident where a 747 could not get a main gear down?
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 16:14
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Regarding press coverage, I'm surprised the Mediterranean ferry fire didn't get more attention. Potentially a much more sticky situation developing in darkness. Respect to all those who had obviously planned though the night to move in at dawn.
I'm not. No video worthy of showing, so the news editors aren't interested and that goes for all news these days, sadly. Much better on a slow news day to rush some film crews to LGW because there's time in hand. On a normal news day it would have merited 30 seconds at best.

Not to detract in any way from a job extremely well done by the crew
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