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Drones threatening commercial a/c?

Old 4th Jun 2015, 08:26
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ATC system for drones?

It's a start, anyway.

Verizon, the US’s largest wireless telecom company, is developing technology with Nasa to direct and monitor America’s growing fleet of civilian and commercial drones from its network of phone towers.

According to documents obtained by the Guardian, Verizon signed an agreement last year with Nasa “to jointly explore whether cell towers … could support communications and surveillance of unmanned aerial systems (UAS) at low altitudes”.
Nasa and Verizon plan to monitor US drone network from phone towers | Technology | The Guardian
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Old 9th Jun 2015, 09:26
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Drone flies within "a few hundred feet" of descending Southwest flight

Non-event at Dallas Love Field, but still...

Drone flies within "a few hundred feet" of descending Southwest flight
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 14:53
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EASA Con Ops for Drones

European Aviation Safety Agency have published "Concept of Operations for Drones - a risk based approach to regulation of unmanned aircraft"


Concept of Operations for Drones | EASA
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Old 24th Jun 2015, 21:27
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Here's the story behind the fake drone clip.

No a drone didn't strike a plane leaving New York, it's a hoax
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Old 24th Jun 2015, 21:50
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The most dangerous Drone is that coming from your colleagues!
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 02:16
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Lake fire grew after private drone flights disrupted air drops

Lake fire grew after private drone flights disrupted air drops - LA Times
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 08:59
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Fire bomber stopped by one drone?


Would a flock of geese stop all operations too? Who makes decisions like this when lives and property are at stake?
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 16:59
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The difference being that the geese would presumably get out of the way, from a sense of self-preservation.
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Old 27th Jun 2015, 19:33
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As both a pilot and a model aircraft pilot, I can honestly say the people who interfere with full scale operations are idiots. I fly my RC planes at the local airport (with permission) but I carry my handheld radio with me so if somone is comming in I'll land immediately. So real planes and models can coexist in the same environment. The proposed rules the FAA has in mind are pretty limiting,ie the speed and altitude limitations. I have an RC jet that will fly well above the 100mph speed limit and in a loop will bust the 500 foot ceiling they want to put on us. I think training is the answer have an required but easy to get small UAS pilot permit based off a cheap online course. That way these idiots will have to know some basic airspace rules.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 01:39
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I guess Captain Sully thought that too.
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Old 28th Jun 2015, 09:41
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Actually a flock of birds is orders of magnitude more dangerous for an aircraft than a drone .It's orders of magnitude bigger so it's harder to avoid /easier to hit and can do what no drone can - shut down multiple engines .

As for hysteria - look here :
Unusual Aviation Pictures

But there was no evidence for a birdstrike - the pilots were extra jumpy about birds because there was a fatal birdstrike accident on the same type just a couple of months before .

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Old 29th Jun 2015, 13:18
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More on the drone incidents (2) over SoCal forest fire.

Drone flying over forest fire diverts planes, costs US Forest Service $10K
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 15:18
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I recently got a phantom 3 drone from DJI and they are very clear on the 400 ft altitude restriction and with the on board GPS will not fly into any restricted areas for drone operation. It will not even take off if it is in unauthorized airspace.

Almost all drone operators are responsible flyers and respect the privacy of their neighbors. No recreational drone to my knowledge has ever hit an aircraft in flight. Model RC aircraft much larger have been flying for decades with no problem. There should not be any concern for these much more sophisticated drones with GPS flying with existing restrictions.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 15:56
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I recently got a phantom 3 drone from DJI and they are very clear on the 400 ft altitude restriction and with the on board GPS will not fly into any restricted areas for drone operation. It will not even take off if it is in unauthorized airspace.
Unless DJI have tightened up their act considerably over the last few months, I think you'd be surprised at how few airports are programmed by them as exclusion zones - as of January this year, fewer than 20% of airports with scheduled flights worldwide.

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DJI Hires Drone Lawyer

DJI, the world’s largest drone company, has hired lawyer Brendan Schulman as its vice president of policy and legal affairs.

DJI brings on leading drone lawyer Brendan Schulman - The Washington Post
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 19:34
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Thanks for the post, Mark. We need a rational approach to drones and not let Dianne and the politicians with absolutely no agenda other than making more unnecessary laws to hinder a growing and necessary field with so many beneficial possibilities.

These drones operate on batteries with a 25 minute endurance so are quiet. They weigh less than 3 lbs with 4 plastic rotors so are much smaller than a lot of RC models with gas engines. With GPS they are easy to fly and will stop and hold altitude whenever the controls are released so the out of control crashes of RC's sometimes have should not happen. If you lose sight of it you simply press a button and it returns and lands itself within 3 ft of where you took off.
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 21:15
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I'm with you on that. If I could un-invent them then I would.
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DRONES AND BLUE ANGELS

I note here that in the Seattle WA area, we have an event called SEAFAIR. Basically hydroplane races- and years ago BA flew its prototype 707 over Lake washington and did a slow roll during that event.

Anyhow , for years, part of the celebration involves the Blue Angels who practice on Thurs and Friday for their show on Sat and Sunday. ( july 31 thru aug 2nd is the SEAFAIR and Aug 1st and 2nd is the Airshow.

For practice sessions, they close the interstate hiway over the lake to prevent accidents, and during the actual show. During practice, they pass over my house at something less than 1000 feet- in formation

Local TV is already trying to make public that NO drones/planes/etc in a 5 to 10 mile radius of the lake are allowed to fly for about an hour PERIOD . Reason should be obvious. The airspace is closed- down to lake level ( about 20 feet above sea level ).
The Angels make passes at around 100 feet above the lake at 400 plus, and do some formation flying at something around 400-500 feet.

UPDATE- Low pass over beach sends umbrellas and stuff flying

http://www.grindtv.com/random/blue-a...VETCYgX4dIE.97

If one looks close- in the top left side about midway thru, can catch a glimpse of the Angels low pass - ' sneak pass ? '

Even a small drone impacting at that speed can be deadly. And keep in mind that with the close formations used, the pilots fly on the leader for position. The chances of the leader spotting a small drone at 200 300 feet during various passes is slim to none.

They have already announced they will have bucu spotters and survellience posts around the lake and a ways out.

Lets all hope that the local idiots do nothing stupid. And that should also apply to whereever the Angels fly.

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Old 19th Jul 2015, 00:31
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Authorities have said that drones have delayed the aerial response to the fires on a freeway in California. I wonder if any of these are operated by news gathering agencies.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 19th Jul 2015, 03:20
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Authorities have said that drones have delayed the aerial response to the fires on a freeway in California. I wonder if any of these are operated by news gathering agencies.
Here's more on the latest drone threat to aerial firefighting:

Above spectacular wildfire on freeway rises new scourge: drones

By Michael Martinez, Paul Vercammen and Ben Brumfield, CNN
Updated 6:10 PM ET, Sat July 18, 2015

Phelan, California (CNN)—Of all the elements they must battle in a wildfire, firefighters face a new foe: drones operated by enthusiasts who presumably take close-up video of the disaster.

Five such "unmanned aircraft systems" prevented California firefighters from dispatching helicopters with water buckets for up to 20 minutes over a wildfire that roared Friday onto a Los Angeles area freeway that leads to Las Vegas.

Helicopters couldn't drop water because five drones hovered over the blaze, creating hazards in smoky winds for a deadly midair disaster, officials said.

The North Fire torched 20 vehicles on Interstate 15 and incited panic among motorists who fled on foot on the freeway Friday. The wildfire continued to burn uncontrollably Saturday, scorching 3,500 acres with only 5% containment in San Bernardino County, officials said.

Drones hovering over wildfires is a new trend in California, and on Saturday, fire officials condemned the operators of "hobby drones," as officials labeled them. It was unclear Saturday whether authorities would launch an investigation into the five drones.

"Fortunately, there were no injuries or fatalities to report, but the 15 to 20 minutes that those helicopters were grounded meant that 15 to 20 minutes were lost that could have led to another water drop cycle, and that would have created a much safer environment and we would not have seen as many citizens running for their lives," said spokesman Eric Sherwin of the San Bernardino County Fire Department.

The drones got away, and firefighters resumed their water drops by chopper.

"We can't confirm who was running drones, and we did not collect any of the drones because our focus was on fighting the fire," Sherwin added.

Firefighters disdain drones buzzing over their work sites. At a national level, how to regulate drones and their flight paths are an ongoing controversy, especially as private industry pushes the Federal Aviation Administration for more freedom to use drones in commerce.

"Please stop flying hobby drones in the area," U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman Gerrelaine Alcordo said about the wildfire site. "We can't risk the choppers colliding with them. We could have loss of life."

The FAA has placed temporary flight restrictions around the wildfires, which means the unmanned aircraft should not fly there without agency approval, spokesman Ian Gregor told CNN by email.

He said the FAA promotes voluntary compliance. However, the agency could impose civil fines ranging from $1,000 to $25,000 if someone operates a drone in a dangerous manner or continues to operate one illegally after being contacted by the FAA, he said.
Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters - CNN.com

Some U.S. Forest Service guidance with a poster (Smokey the Bear ad campaign coming soon I would guess):

Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest - Alerts & Notices
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