Air 2000 Captain Sacked For Smoking
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As last some common sense! I just can’t believe that some of you think that breaking a minor rule should reasonably result in loosing your job. I would have though a letter/interview with no coffee would have been appropriate. If the management in Air-two-bob are really that up tight maybe demotion to FO … but sacking come on it just doesn’t make sense.
I am sorry now I missed the thread first time round … what’s the real story here
As last some common sense! I just can’t believe that some of you think that breaking a minor rule should reasonably result in loosing your job. I would have though a letter/interview with no coffee would have been appropriate. If the management in Air-two-bob are really that up tight maybe demotion to FO … but sacking come on it just doesn’t make sense.
I am sorry now I missed the thread first time round … what’s the real story here
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Actually,this along with the SQ006 thread was the most important topic on pprune in the last month or so.It didnt dissect any of the guys personal life..it related to the pilot-employer relationship and that is surely something that interests us all.
What amazed me was not so much that he was smoking on the flight deck but that this airline(if thats the right word) chose to listen to a FA and act in such a manner.Spies-in-the-sky make for a very unhealthy atmosphere in commercial aviation.Its abhorrent and I dont like it.It makes everyone distrustful of each other and leads to divide and rule...who wins then?The employer.And some(like this one obviously) have no scruples.
Not a lot of smoking on the flight deck goes on stateside I would admit...but to think that you might have your career ruined over it on the HEARSAY OF SOMEBODY WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS AN AXE TO GRIND is disgraceful.Shame on this airline.Somebody confirm for me that its one of those budget/charter carriers that are springing up everywhere in the UK?I think I've heard of them.Shame because I have a lot of respect for British aviation,especially the RAF.
What amazed me was not so much that he was smoking on the flight deck but that this airline(if thats the right word) chose to listen to a FA and act in such a manner.Spies-in-the-sky make for a very unhealthy atmosphere in commercial aviation.Its abhorrent and I dont like it.It makes everyone distrustful of each other and leads to divide and rule...who wins then?The employer.And some(like this one obviously) have no scruples.
Not a lot of smoking on the flight deck goes on stateside I would admit...but to think that you might have your career ruined over it on the HEARSAY OF SOMEBODY WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS AN AXE TO GRIND is disgraceful.Shame on this airline.Somebody confirm for me that its one of those budget/charter carriers that are springing up everywhere in the UK?I think I've heard of them.Shame because I have a lot of respect for British aviation,especially the RAF.
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About 15 years ago a Dan Air captain received a fairer and more appropriate response from his fleet manager.
He was flying in the left hand seat of a HS 748. Passengers were in those days allowed to smoke when the signs were off, but this was on take-off with the signs on. As the aircraft rotated the angle of the curtain separating the cockpit from the cabin, allowed a passenger to see the captain smoking his cigar.
A complaint duly arrived at the company passenger services department a few days later.
The fleet manager, asked the captain to draft the reply, on behalf of the company.
He was flying in the left hand seat of a HS 748. Passengers were in those days allowed to smoke when the signs were off, but this was on take-off with the signs on. As the aircraft rotated the angle of the curtain separating the cockpit from the cabin, allowed a passenger to see the captain smoking his cigar.
A complaint duly arrived at the company passenger services department a few days later.
The fleet manager, asked the captain to draft the reply, on behalf of the company.
Um!
Is an Aircraft the place to go "cold turkey"?
I know when I gave up a 60 a day habit some 20 years ago, I felt awfull for weeks. I used a leave period to get over the worst cravings.
Wonder what the A.M.E. section think. Is this as a flight safety issue?
I'm sure the Captain in ? will not be allowing any smoking at any time by anyone NOW!
Is an Aircraft the place to go "cold turkey"?
I know when I gave up a 60 a day habit some 20 years ago, I felt awfull for weeks. I used a leave period to get over the worst cravings.
Wonder what the A.M.E. section think. Is this as a flight safety issue?
I'm sure the Captain in ? will not be allowing any smoking at any time by anyone NOW!
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Smokin'...
As a pilot, passenger and ex-cigarette smoker: if I were flying with him in whatever capacity, and he needed a fag; I'd sooner he had one right there and then, rather than spend the rest of the flight craving it!
As for the sacking: pathetic!
As for the sacking: pathetic!
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Smoking in an enclosed space with someone else who doesn't smoke has to be one of the most selfish things that a person can do, especially when you are in that enclosed space together for a long period of time. I have no sympathy for the smoker.
Whether the offender had been warned before is not clear. I would have thought a couple of warnings should have preceded a sacking.
Saying that this is a 'minor' rule is a matter of opinion. The effect of passive smoke on a non smoker could well make the non smoker feel ill or even intoxicate him to some extent.
I have found that in life, not just in the cockpit, smokers often have a cavalier attitude towards non smokers rights.
Whether the offender had been warned before is not clear. I would have thought a couple of warnings should have preceded a sacking.
Saying that this is a 'minor' rule is a matter of opinion. The effect of passive smoke on a non smoker could well make the non smoker feel ill or even intoxicate him to some extent.
I have found that in life, not just in the cockpit, smokers often have a cavalier attitude towards non smokers rights.
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If you read neutral's very helpful synopsis of the las thread, you will see the answer to what is unclear to you, and that he was reported by a STEWARD, and NOT by someone he was sharing a cockpit with.
If you read neutral's very helpful synopsis of the las thread, you will see the answer to what is unclear to you, and that he was reported by a STEWARD, and NOT by someone he was sharing a cockpit with.
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"Smoking in an enclosed space with someone else who doesn't smoke has to be one of the most selfish things that a person can do, especially when you are in that enclosed space together for a long period of time. I have no sympathy for the smoker.
Whether the offender had been warned before is not clear. I would have thought a couple of warnings should have preceded a sacking.
Saying that this is a 'minor' rule is a matter of opinion. The effect of passive smoke on a non smoker could well make the non smoker feel ill or even intoxicate him to some extent.
I have found that in life, not just in the cockpit, smokers often have a cavalier attitude towards non smokers rights."
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Replace the word smoking with farting and tell me your innocent..... "Excuse me, I had Cowboy beans before the flight, Im glad we are only here for 7 hours."
Smokers, for the most part , are more respectful than those of you who DEMAND respect.
"Be Happy In Your Work"
Whether the offender had been warned before is not clear. I would have thought a couple of warnings should have preceded a sacking.
Saying that this is a 'minor' rule is a matter of opinion. The effect of passive smoke on a non smoker could well make the non smoker feel ill or even intoxicate him to some extent.
I have found that in life, not just in the cockpit, smokers often have a cavalier attitude towards non smokers rights."
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Replace the word smoking with farting and tell me your innocent..... "Excuse me, I had Cowboy beans before the flight, Im glad we are only here for 7 hours."
Smokers, for the most part , are more respectful than those of you who DEMAND respect.
"Be Happy In Your Work"
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Are there any laws or human rights issues regarding the right to have time made available to smoke?
I have heard that under Dutch law, all employers must designate an area in the work place for smoking. With a particular Dutch airline, the flight deck is the smoking area.
I have heard that under Dutch law, all employers must designate an area in the work place for smoking. With a particular Dutch airline, the flight deck is the smoking area.
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I`m glad it`s not so in my Dutch airline!
Imagine having 14 cc smoking in turn. Ouch!!
Dutch law has a lot of strange and very strange rulings, but I`m quite sure this isn`t one of them.
Imagine having 14 cc smoking in turn. Ouch!!
Dutch law has a lot of strange and very strange rulings, but I`m quite sure this isn`t one of them.
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Config, you are both right and wrong.
All employers exept airlines.
The cockpit certainly is my coffee corner as soon as the lads are halfway human , but smoking lounge?
I wish.....................
All employers exept airlines.
The cockpit certainly is my coffee corner as soon as the lads are halfway human , but smoking lounge?
I wish.....................
I find it hard to believe that a Captain, apparently well liked and very competent, would be sacked out of hand for this. If he'd offended the FO/ the CC / or anyone else with his 'selfishness' perhaps a appologie to them and a repremand from the Chief Pilot etc, but unless he was continuing to smoke having been warned several times, beeing sacked!??
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How's about giving this one a rest people. It has been made very clear that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. I understand Air 2000 is still one of the best outfits to work for, perhaps they expect their captains to set an example and not just over smoking.
