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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 21st Jan 2015, 00:47
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good article here from Aviation

MH370: Where is the Debris?
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 04:52
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Brock McEwen has written an article claiming constant lying and misdirection has featured overwhelmingly in the MH370 investigation.

I'm not sure that it's as simple as that - but a large amount of a$$-covering, and initial lying certainly led to a lot of initially-wrong conclusions.

One conclusion that I believe McEwen may be correct on, is that MH370 flew higher and further than any current conclusions - thus leading to a final impact point that is further SW than the seabed area currently being examined.

If his calculations and suppositions are correct, then that would help explain the total lack of floating wreckage, which would have been more likely to be destroyed and sunk by the violence of the Southern Ocean - and anything left, caught in the Polar current which would keep it well S of Australia.

Pages 15 to the end of McEwen's article are the ones I find most interesting.

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Old 21st Jan 2015, 10:43
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Originally Posted by oldoberon View Post
good article here from Aviation

MH370: Where is the Debris?
In the article it says:

It’s not clear why the AMSA believes that the debris’ main landfall would be to the north of the presumed impact area.
Then proceeds to show an animated gif of an ocean model that shows precisely that the main landfall could be north to the southern coast of Indonesia.

The article says after AFR447 there were 3000 pieces of floating debris. The model also shows a huge dispersal area for potential flotsam from any crash/ditching site of MH370. That could spread a 3000 floating pieces very thinly.

Would someone recognize a seat cushion that had been sea washed and bleached by the Sun for 10 months as coming from MH370?
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 13:35
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Would someone recognize a seat cushion that had been sea washed and bleached by the Sun for 10 months as coming from MH370?
In the context of the MH370 event I would imagine authorities would have been inundated with every piece that the beachcombers/general public couldn't positively identify as NOT being related to MH370!
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 20:38
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Whilst I appreciate the coastline is long there are enough settlements, holiday marine traffic, GA and other populations that something should have been found.
Not likely, even south of Mandurah I would be surprised, let alone going up past Yanchep, virtually no hope.

In the context of the MH370 event I would imagine authorities would have been inundated with every piece that the beachcombers/general public couldn't positively identify as NOT being related to MH370!
Again, not likely, for general Jo public unless its obvious, its MH370 what? More than a week after the event they have lost interest.
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 08:34
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This coastline is so empty that there are no signs of human habitation for hundreds of miles - flotsam on the beach dates from WWII and earlier. Look at google earth and google maps and compare to the US coastline
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 15:47
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No trace was ever found of the Varig 707 in 1979 or missing/stolen 727 in 2003, so why should this be any different?

Both of those aforementioned weren't far from land as well!

Only 26% of the area searched so far, hope something is found!
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 21:41
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NTSB statement 22JAN 2015

NTSB Calls for Better Ways to Find Aircraft Accident Sites and Retrieve Critical Flight Data

January 22, 2015

WASHINGTON - The National Transportation Safety Board today issued a series of safety recommendations to the Federal Aviation Administration calling for improvements in locating downed aircraft and ways to obtain critical flight data faster and without the need for immediate underwater retrieval. The Board also re-emphasized the need for cockpit image recorders on commercial airplanes.

Recent accidents have pointed to the need for improved technologies to locate aircraft wreckage and flight recorders lost in remote locations or over water. In the 2009 crash of Air France Flight 447, it took almost two years and $40 million to find the recorders. Investigators are still searching for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. So far the search has involved 26 countries using 84 vessels and numerous aircraft.

“Technology has reached a point where we shouldn’t have to search hundreds of miles of ocean floor in a frantic race to find these valuable boxes,’’ said NTSB Acting Chairman Christopher A. Hart. “In this day and age, lost aircraft should be a thing of the past.”

Last October, the NTSB held a forum, Emerging Flight Data and Locator Technology, which explored these issues in detail.

Among the recommendations to the FAA are to equip commercial airplanes with a tamper-resistant method to broadcast to a ground station sufficient information to establish the location where an aircraft terminates flight as a result of an accident within six nautical miles of the point of impact.

The NTSB also called for the FAA to coordinate with other regulatory authorities and the International Civil Aviation Organization to harmonize implementation of several of these recommendations.

The NTSB also repeated recommendations for a crash-protected image recording system that would record the cockpit environment during the last two hours of a flight.

A link to the recommendation letter can be found here: go.usa.gov/Jsaz

A link to the recorder forum page is here: go.usa.gov/JsCW
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 21:54
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Finding debris

As stated, the Western Australian coast is sparsely populated and with large sections that are infrequently accessed, if at all.
Increasingly so the farther north you go, as was predicted for any debris from MH370.
As much as we might like to think, the coast is not all white, sandy beaches either.
There are long (read as 100's of km) of high inaccessible cliffs against which debris would likely be beaten to smithereens.
Not to mention long sections of mangrove forest that would simply swallow debris coming its way and into which people seldom enter.
And north of Yampi Sound the coast (read as 1000's of km) is rugged, hostile and general never accessed, certainly not in terms of "going close enough to identify debris".
It is very possible the debris might be found, but it is at least as possible that it might not
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 22:19
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I find it difficult to understand how, after more than 10 months, not a single shred of wreckage has appeared on some coastline somewhere, or been sighted, floating.
Having recently spent some time in the area around Dampier, and further south, it is not difficult to understand at all. This is Mars, with an occasional structure and a breathable atmosphere. Someone might find a bit of something in a few years' time ....
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Old 23rd Jan 2015, 09:59
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Tenders called for raising MH370

Australian authorities call for tenders for potential MH370 recovery | Reuters
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 06:39
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just completed another search run at 600ft along the beaches south of Perth past Bunbiry, Busselton, Dunsborough, Cape Naturalist and down almost to the Leeuwin lighthouse.
there is absolutely no hint of wreckage or flotsam of any kind washing up.

the beaches are amazing. there are people everywhere on the beaches.
between perth and bunbury there would be a vehicle camped/parked about every 400 yards along the beach.
between bunbury and cape naturalist there are people walking and swimming on every beach.
south of cape naturalist there is about 1km of deserted beach. south of there there are people and surfers everywhere.
so the likelihood of anything washing up on the beaches and remaining there unnoticed is I think absolutely nil. I think if anything washed up it would be noticed within half a day.
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 22:58
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Malaysia to release Interim Report 6 March 2015

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Old 29th Jan 2015, 08:20
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Press conference was due to start about 45 minutes ago. Once relatives had gathered (after hearing about press conference via the media), conference was cancelled due to "unforeseen circumstances".

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Old 29th Jan 2015, 10:38
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Officials said that the recovery operation is ongoing but that the 239 people onboard are now presumed dead.
BBC News - Malaysia declares MH370 an accident
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 10:40
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The link stating search "0fficially ended" above actually says the search is ongoing.

Edit: Link now removed

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Old 29th Jan 2015, 10:42
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I was watching it live on News 24 in OZ.

The search is ongoing and they believe they are still in the correct area, they only officially announced it as an accident so next of kin can claim compensation.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 12:56
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Yes they are so concerned of the next of kin that's why the families were never approached before the announcement to the rest of the world.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 18:33
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How do they normally approach the next of kin without telling the whole world? Do they send out emails or make lots of phone calls?
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 07:20
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Possible work through the Embassy/Foriegn Affairs departments of the victims countries , wait two weeks and announce. It would never be perfect but the effort could be made.
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